Received: from mail-oi0-f57.google.com ([209.85.218.57]:34746) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIE0g-0004rw-La for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:46:32 -0700 Received: by oihq81 with SMTP id q81sf92475684oih.1 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=fdSXpAa5G2CjfyXrI2FTqWOKKa0UWeskKH0WNYuHUcM=; b=a3aW9PJV0+jVrs/YOXKYz/TLpADQuK8arOv19Vv8xuVzfiJZXdqYjHPAo1AD1uBvTx 8lGyIDC53xvkOfkbKfdTT5hEe+MWtg8y20gkuhaxI/rGYP3NH6e0ELfELpELMideNmMI AsmFI+RYF76oJq1+5EetTQdnSAf5yAG+zKlL8kct9+ha73EQpmFViq3XYUqi/ulEM2he BGi7ypF9T1wapex/5BIrNHkm0ZPcDbQM6PxTDvEm6pGxztVkUTAPjxFbo2rUjf+zJ1wA JHNaY3tP3aTpO4cfZorMRt3MWoTgssXD7H2kZErSw7WdptwFSd7eQf+0k3Dhoe/THHwA fiIg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=fdSXpAa5G2CjfyXrI2FTqWOKKa0UWeskKH0WNYuHUcM=; b=Etm4CEMREW/zWxOWkB3rHtREuZ8T9GSNwR29plqqvZosFLJBUOC2879K6incyLQiDN miESc3ljjTiPtBaP0B0WY0NNPsxPmQj2UiF6rJd9tAYgQ5CRsin71cOePvmPRB78AsrT YJ9y6UVQ8MCouvXSz4j/AV6taDcqM4DgOrtvW8k2fW35+o7W3mmHdxlbM4Zd/LPvgKCA DNQHgC6JDRREzYLY31/aWdQvx5wnVS4i96FnPujzpiZUN5waAjpRkYtP4Nkq3APRJPVE OERKCzuhPWJVUxCY95p+LQX8qUDlBw+9ocOCw05fU5dyreBdhhCUq27jRkX+KQa+yqfR eXeQ== X-Received: by 10.50.17.2 with SMTP id k2mr268644igd.11.1437648348739; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.43.230 with SMTP id z6ls555228igl.7.gmail; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.102.71 with SMTP id fm7mr270870igb.8.1437648348473; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban Cc: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com, gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com, spheniscine@gmail.com Message-Id: <9ab9570e-9ea2-40cd-828f-03a1a8532621@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <68d4ecc6-6c91-431d-b62f-f1499742d240@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Internal grammar of UI, NAI and CAI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_871_759201849.1437648347180" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_871_759201849.1437648347180 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_872_500308000.1437648347181" ------=_Part_872_500308000.1437648347181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It is difficult to represent that elliptical illocution though. Either {ge'e} can represent an illocution or evidential as well, which makes it extremely vague, or it can only express UI1-type emotions, in which case it isn't useful here. On the other hand, there may not be enough justification to create a cmavo to represent it. Or perhaps we could just take a page from Curtis and create a ridiculously long cmavo so as to not take up space that we might want to actually use, e.g. {ju'a'o'e} :p -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_872_500308000.1437648347181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is difficult to represent that elliptical illocution th= ough. Either {ge'e} can represent an illocution or evidential as well, = which makes it extremely vague, or it can only express UI1-type emotions, i= n which case it isn't useful here. On the other hand, there may not be = enough justification to create a cmavo to represent it.

= Or perhaps we could just take a page from Curtis and create a ridiculously = long cmavo so as to not take up space that we might want to actually use, e= .g. {ju'a'o'e} :p

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