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[212.227.17.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q10si12318wiz.0.2015.07.23.14.20.06 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.20; Received: from [192.168.2.118] ([84.137.84.69]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LeRKD-1YZAD52PQT-00q9Kb for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:20:06 +0200 Subject: Re: [lojban] sko'opu definition and place structure To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: From: selpa'i Message-ID: <55B15A86.3020000@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:20:06 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:KhjLWXXltifFgOhVp/tGNBnWAQ5NkiNY57n9XUbI2mh3JWhn5SL 4YRPYZ3gjo7ORu24u+soR31oN3GRafTtdcFJPLHuSmtB0kF+Zu4MJJf5QmIH5HnQ7Q6Weei t/m12+USKHDzNl034slzsDsj0p3OYk5pHYjGyJVNKlqEUOTh0mztAAeyN/VGftbA7+YQx87 z5/JEHQgQmVlBShfZFVWA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:b/ZpGzRdi5Y=:9QBrGVvBS2PnhPLCX7cNiz 1Ge0ZZtB7WsUzXU+zDmM4YLxYEInZfne/RUqs8X/Sm6WvjBHXi4jCyAmf2oXQV8xvLDTAv54S 2cvQ5ICrvRbp3UdpFWd02TKIK/cNMQDKOdQqNhOXsARspoa83KBYzuwPNi1RkiLAHJgWm/+GA mTiLGi6w0ggdNPSysLbl/+WqFAu8/yQiEZX9tJIrpBtr2PBVt8u+o4hWrLQ2bvcGa4BvIFyNm EJRiLEi+6VwNAc20OT+IANS6OGgJInFcBbnur3q9PiLKfp2tqnwLIRKn6iYWuP95XPI5TK+J+ 8nvUuSBohwkTZowkL/of+Q5vCCz/D127rUW4ysiGjcXswnJqnU1Hol4EciZESg9/Ns43Jd/kC lGQgiK3Oto4ziW0vFZedCXDmr0+EUi2rHqzEgZ0n9D0RSZkrpnsE/8kgiVvaGQYTw12hupZzJ 9nExZAro7DbFrc6eGjFtxpGEe/pPhAQ7Ydr9mz4qX5wnSGRdbkEzb0X/s/H0VWzIw5s/aNmiN KRaMQKKvFaklQSldrffBlxDUV6BnrpD2bHq/hh8YvKnFwZT4elcLpiDPVAaBSg9J/7rm6T8t+ Ph0VTs9mAr8kJ+V+X3iJtQ6HOkNorNRrz8ucNkcVPu3+7+veyCp3/FGS9YxJcn+harkCQRu1P 6jgoUvqSeZ/Gcac1OGMhIIzRR5iSwDmfUvCBkFafZbJin41Wtgl04+f9W5WrsleYP9rM= X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - la zipcpi cu cusku di'e > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/sko'opu > > I added this word to JVS because too many have asked what it means. But > we obviously need a better definition and a real place structure. Right, this word is very common in discussions that occur in Lojban about Lojban's logic. We basically have been using it without ever defining its place structure. To me the two main contenders are: a) "x1 has scope over x2" b) "x1 is the scope of operator x2" We just never decided. And we failed at any attempts to formulate a convincing Lojban definition. Definition a) sounds more "active". I *think* I have a slight preference for a). A third place might be needed (an "in context/bridi x3" place). Btw, I think to get the kind of meaning that you entered into JVS one can use {lo si'o sko'opu}. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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