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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fk9si31727igb.0.2015.07.23.14.48.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ZujUdbLG c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=VVgVVhSuXUIA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=_f1LRnlfOjY9VCVh9egA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:34496] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 78/18-08210-32161B55; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:48:19 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C237185F for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:48:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] sko'opu definition and place structure Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:48:15 -0400 Message-ID: <2891566.p5XL2QYW7P@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-55-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <55B15A86.3020000@gmx.de> References: <55B15A86.3020000@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_bar: -- On Thursday, July 23, 2015 23:20:06 selpa'i wrote: > la zipcpi cu cusku di'e >=20 > > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/sko'opu > >=20 > > I added this word to JVS because too many have asked what it means. But > > we obviously need a better definition and a real place structure. >=20 > Right, this word is very common in discussions that occur in Lojban > about Lojban's logic. We basically have been using it without ever > defining its place structure. >=20 > To me the two main contenders are: >=20 > a) "x1 has scope over x2" >=20 > b) "x1 is the scope of operator x2" e.g. for a: lu ni'o le bi'u cmalu bloti ze'epu naku xe klama li'u zo'u lu n= aku=20 li'u sko'opu lu xe klama li'u What about scope of variables in programming languages? Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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