Received: from mail-lb0-f184.google.com ([209.85.217.184]:34065) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKQRQ-0005A6-N9 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 05:26:43 -0700 Received: by lbcjf8 with SMTP id jf8sf2208680lbc.1 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 05:26:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=NOY4DHa4/RFXaqAoWU57JUFNWfGHCNaZhC4ah4/rw/0=; b=U6e0cvyXfOu4Wi1gWvlEPsecwps8zxWlrcvtXYoM3ZfitFALukHfARW5MyKhbOTzq4 eAhDVHQcyc21TVwmiF00WJcPsbbBN04M50GrdBhiKPwL7xONZEo/zJYB9WbX5YYWPEjd Cc/4Pxh9DzVAn+8/OeCE6PPS4Zh/eLuZLgcRI94b8ZvZWVp38muL/wDTD8ytDEza8H9t G9QBG+TqTUB1chqJKKZLsffanm97D7Bh+vuyb5IqXHiwFYg65WUcW8AU14t9pcaRuZMS +FvWOrCnhjgG7Ki2VJO5r79U/JaHzLbl8RhL/1EOqjJeyrQAN0onLxQIqDExY9cd766q cNRQ== X-Received: by 10.180.75.108 with SMTP id b12mr14wiw.7.1438172789491; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 05:26:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.93.35 with SMTP id cr3ls134094wib.51.gmail; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.205.202 with SMTP id li10mr984931wic.5.1438172788534; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com (mail-wi0-x22f.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hm7si659426wib.0.2015.07.29.05.26.28 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 29 Jul 2015 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f; Received: by mail-wi0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id mv11so216730050wic.0 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.205.225 with SMTP id lj1mr75780018wjc.138.1438172788435; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.162.130 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 05:25:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1ec1b9e9-3f83-4599-a127-f978cbd844c4@googlegroups.com> References: <1ec1b9e9-3f83-4599-a127-f978cbd844c4@googlegroups.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:25:48 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Sensations / qualia (colors etc.) To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6b9e42e3288051c02b260 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bd6b9e42e3288051c02b260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-07-29 14:35 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine (la zipcpi) : > Additionally, it isn't just colors that have this issue. How about "I feel > dryness"? This is similarly independent of there actualy being anything > that's {lo sudga}. > I'm sure this example can be refuted. why not just {mi lifri lo ka sudga}? However, there are other concepts similar to colors, e.g. "I like randomness of forms" which like with "color red" doesn't cover any particular object continuously enduring in space. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7bd6b9e42e3288051c02b260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 2015-07-29 14:35 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine (la zipcpi) <spheniscine@gmail.= com>:
Additionally, it= isn't just colors that have this issue. How about "I feel dryness= "? This is similarly independent of there actualy being anything that&= #39;s {lo sudga}.

I'm sure this = example can be refuted. why not just {mi lifri lo ka sudga}?

However, there are o= ther concepts similar to colors, e.g.
"= ;I like randomness of forms" which like with "color red" doe= sn't cover any particular object continuously enduring in space.
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