Received: from mail-ob0-f190.google.com ([209.85.214.190]:33564) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKc2X-00049g-BP for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:49:45 -0700 Received: by obbdh8 with SMTP id dh8sf5928938obb.0 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:49:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=AY5vJwn00/2oHk6ybnk3szsUhv7PClXg76x8uz3Fa2c=; b=EjA+OOrbYTf0ab3bCJ71+e3b/PwraOfb5IEYn0o528C1FoYE1tgxKm+z72HiIVE99z 1uq10gmF84R9dpMECVuyUabu3ru2qPtV7jYyd6HZyuiJzu85tb5rNStPUoKc0r1YYnO/ 6mPI5940+5gytz5TLlbaMcJamdU2e4kVza2OO90NLBGcJobn1Y3oOqa1CJb/yoR8Mw5G qH89usKWYRqtk/0XsTPl4CQpLPyJSbUrtv7urwkAZgIbq1I7H2JfRMYAelRvSCiS1o2H t2n1JOR9b3rAREExLCG2F6Czn4a5d77a1Tt10/9uz7Vd/rPpTRbx3QS0DyWNjw0LdoQx bQZA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=AY5vJwn00/2oHk6ybnk3szsUhv7PClXg76x8uz3Fa2c=; b=Dk37noRUTxXCcDA7aXKQJ0J9FBGVcLHXqhqf4OehEutlavM39DFnTQeHq5l93Mqmu6 JPIvCfCTZp0NoUepJv6+4UzoaxCs2oI6Caa7di8ajMpziiX5GIk0lcxAkLSU4JH1ZJZC IT5hHOKl1oZjUoMZFbEdA0v1FPuhyDnh/a3mAqFVWXWIR9DUEDmPP1HnN9PyLk6BlCyj l1AOJNhOUH0vtIAAopH5fcHTZMlePbgwjRDQnk/E9GoU0fGOONmIbW6E3+xkQuPViq3Q u8V6bPg/pK81UeU9uvKhCtp2ohMezEuxUNaqH1Ku1s6ceZWsogbG/LqnlibFYDB//mHW /HYw== X-Received: by 10.50.30.197 with SMTP id u5mr4947igh.5.1438217375258; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:49:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.78.195 with SMTP id d3ls359555igx.13.gmail; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.4.1 with SMTP id g1mr4799igg.7.1438217374906; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban Cc: jjllambias@gmail.com Message-Id: <133441d8-b4c7-4d29-90ee-085c80497361@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1ec1b9e9-3f83-4599-a127-f978cbd844c4@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Sensations / qualia (colors etc.) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_6261_1076121022.1438217373548" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_6261_1076121022.1438217373548 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6262_37613675.1438217373549" ------=_Part_6262_37613675.1438217373549 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Is that very different from "I see elephants" when there are no elephants > around? > Hm kinda a good point; guess that comes back to xorlo, doesn't it? I'm not sure it's the same though. Seeing the color red is somewhat different than seeing a red thing, real or imagined. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_6262_37613675.1438217373549 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is that very different from "I see= elephants" when there are no elephants around?=C2=A0
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Hm kinda a good point; guess that com= es back to xorlo, doesn't it?=C2=A0

I'm no= t sure it's the same though. Seeing the color red is somewhat different= than seeing a red thing, real or imagined.

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