Received: from mail-ig0-f184.google.com ([209.85.213.184]:33857) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZLnnI-00024O-Cs for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:34:56 -0700 Received: by igbqa2 with SMTP id qa2sf11055492igb.1 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:34:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=YKY8Gf447qJyMUhwx2lecPa3YHD62LGMIX+g49TsbaE=; b=pPjxwNSVXnBShEhwOCvG2Sp3cGk/PmOD8QOQwuZKvv5EOKLpak5TFcOxh2AA9x6oXe c6PpC/sOxBXXc74pEx7CEbAO7xcjFV2EwRT6sh7RH6VZ2pQEIegMPCiEXNguHedXk7L8 8gah77ZNTYbHo4pfrZf7lFXJGPDN543iG7Oe0VqratTvIQ+tWeqxTyi1sThu9XBSqv8l wZENNuUao3FeuloWLf+X1n/rOa4+4ApkzhntBI7Zb9avVytMDLHa4Ft+y8NCKErkH+zk RGsoWgpXo141wiSWNOOBMeX+7WswIJJ+/iKoPtp1qo3qkXg7VDYc62wpAHUoz/4nJJtX R/Ww== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=YKY8Gf447qJyMUhwx2lecPa3YHD62LGMIX+g49TsbaE=; b=JpiO/kbJU2+4B6gmuTZYK//0Fxe6BWDcrVez2TLaHD/x4lZ0Bpra4GmBjF4I3TYfKF A8C+ND34UHnfIRgwljapg0r1+crN0ffMuCWWUgtCgeJod6oH2cv7Rbvc4e3nmwj5Vt62 glspiMiPXqUMt9BKtjsPepHXwZhdLOeaAc/u+K+lPmh27WaqUp0jk52EthK4tnLpJmAw yVHjGRzU9eX8toPmPf9GvBtJ/eaVXF9/14ajeR1uhjOeTIh21KAkBiBdqR9r7K//0yNZ y86uOlFBMmbQSogtDa5SfWxioqEUYoyWSc1Oh6hCuXgEcxm66BCQf1NCvS1cRT8uAtDm evOw== X-Received: by 10.50.36.6 with SMTP id m6mr142488igj.15.1438500886446; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.32.75 with SMTP id g72ls958147iog.3.gmail; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.17.2 with SMTP id k2mr141407igd.11.1438500886072; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 00:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 00:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban Message-Id: <6e091cad-9454-41f1-965e-33f2650941dc@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1c2a3b64-07b1-4023-a740-362deb17da34@googlegroups.com> References: <1c2a3b64-07b1-4023-a740-362deb17da34@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: xoi and new soi as bridi relative clause MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_252_133987006.1438500884529" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_252_133987006.1438500884529 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_253_789319421.1438500884530" ------=_Part_253_789319421.1438500884530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 About Pxoi vs Nxoi: We *could* make say {ni'oi} Nxoi, while xoi = Pxoi (either that or assign {pi'oi}, but I'm reluctant to use that cmavo space if we aren't gonna kill {xoi}, which might be impossible to do at this point). On the other hand though, there might be a need for a UI to mark "non-restrictive" information, since {xoi} is proposed to be an expansion for {fi'o}, BAI, and sumtcita anyway. Thus this UI can then be useful to mark any sumtcita place (or even, say, seltau) as incidental information. I *think* {ta'o} works for that purpose, but others might disagree. There's also {ra'unai}, but I'm not sure if it's suitable, and I'd prefer an unnegated form because I believe that information should be considered restrictive by default. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_253_789319421.1438500884530 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
About Pxoi vs Nxoi:

We *could* make say= {ni'oi} Nxoi, while xoi =3D Pxoi (either that or assign {pi'oi}, b= ut I'm reluctant to use that cmavo space if we aren't gonna kill {x= oi}, which might be impossible to do at this point).

On the other hand though, there might be a need for a UI to mark "n= on-restrictive" information, since {xoi} is proposed to be an expansio= n for {fi'o}, BAI, and sumtcita anyway. Thus this UI can then be useful= to mark any sumtcita place (or even, say, seltau) as incidental informatio= n.

I *think* {ta'o} works for that purpose, bu= t others might disagree. There's also {ra'unai}, but I'm not su= re if it's suitable, and I'd prefer an unnegated form because I bel= ieve that information should be considered restrictive by default.

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