Received: from mail-pa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.220.63]:33444) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZM4WQ-0002Ji-60 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:26:40 -0700 Received: by pacom8 with SMTP id om8sf28115055pac.0 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:26:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=Kl16RXkj2p+kcaMq13EuO2I78S1NaugJNsnYdtstV54=; b=isyvTKGD40SgB/Pg6cx0vQy6rItojrxezEXDGYecY7sFOPbSguxEXL4fn9zMoyyOok 68QKY2LKf4vSA9/rsfh+ezJ7tIkKw0YcSI9WUGDCZxUwmLQKrFEIZQYi5hB3/TdanwuT VE7I/DG/mA3gA/O61CWUNh7GupdEhtUGOVS0dJuCE3k+weXmvGV1J+97/wAPiOoYIbsJ EZC5BcjHnftODzSqRQ+m6lepnTSIQvWdkSJpmBaLwFKBWs3EfQCe8R9Mx68OjpgU8hFI vLcHoK91QuZJzw2uRYtsIZrpgYT2bbbvrMRTLVqQGJUWM1X84FmB6v69XcjrRMEvcxli 5yHg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=Kl16RXkj2p+kcaMq13EuO2I78S1NaugJNsnYdtstV54=; b=EHMDQgaczelOX8HG+Z6iwS97GOhGitgV8zgvC5y1yPpxZFaVsOBsNhDIKC1ukf1wyU 9oWuY6001NoObzF0sxLJEDh9zpRAFPHIoI7R7TBzEMlNxPg2SJD5pqVeEvAfRXW+4bKh 3PqRQ3hoshnytscettGNSlxvWhXvychj+0hJ50klEgxDPXjq7m77+z4To+zdZLiFJNJ1 uYZ5Gul/Fzpu5wu3djGnLuZZeQbgGaiB5jWKUq20QYF5Vti3a6/nc5JAcHURqBOSImNA Ecqr5RdIj2Zkay9b+lhiNMDcBBZXXc+elYN6JloP0oHTwvG1mw+GcKvLDiVRccnvIY25 285Q== X-Received: by 10.50.128.197 with SMTP id nq5mr176507igb.13.1438565188244; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:26:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.163.137 with SMTP id m131ls1518020ioe.59.gmail; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:26:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.79.193 with SMTP id l1mr173912igx.2.1438565187906; Sun, 02 Aug 2015 18:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 18:26:26 -0700 (PDT) From: guskant To: lojban Message-Id: <23664849-6248-48cb-823f-cc4f72229490@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <6e091cad-9454-41f1-965e-33f2650941dc@googlegroups.com> References: <1c2a3b64-07b1-4023-a740-362deb17da34@googlegroups.com> <6e091cad-9454-41f1-965e-33f2650941dc@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: xoi and new soi as bridi relative clause MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1632_404039702.1438565186772" X-Original-Sender: gusni.kantu@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_1632_404039702.1438565186772 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1633_89623815.1438565186772" ------=_Part_1633_89623815.1438565186772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le dimanche 2 ao=C3=BBt 2015 07:34:44 UTC, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) a =C3=A9= crit : > > About Pxoi vs Nxoi: > > We *could* make say {ni'oi} Nxoi, while xoi =3D Pxoi (either that or assi= gn=20 > {pi'oi}, but I'm reluctant to use that cmavo space if we aren't gonna kil= l=20 > {xoi}, which might be impossible to do at this point). > > On the other hand though, there might be a need for a UI to mark=20 > "non-restrictive" information, since {xoi} is proposed to be an expansion= =20 > for {fi'o}, BAI, and sumtcita anyway. Thus this UI can then be useful to= =20 > mark any sumtcita place (or even, say, seltau) as incidental information. > > I *think* {ta'o} works for that purpose, but others might disagree.=20 > There's also {ra'unai}, but I'm not sure if it's suitable, and I'd prefer= =20 > an unnegated form because I believe that information should be considered= =20 > restrictive by default. > ie zo ta'o mapti i ji'a lu ra'unai li'u na'e ka'e se smuni lo du'u na'e=20 jimte --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_1633_89623815.1438565186772 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Le dimanche 2 ao=C3=BBt 2015 07:34:44 UTC, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) = a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
About Pxoi vs Nxoi:

We *could* make say {ni'oi= } Nxoi, while xoi =3D Pxoi (either that or assign {pi'oi}, but I'm = reluctant to use that cmavo space if we aren't gonna kill {xoi}, which = might be impossible to do at this point).

On the o= ther hand though, there might be a need for a UI to mark "non-restrict= ive" information, since {xoi} is proposed to be an expansion for {fi&#= 39;o}, BAI, and sumtcita anyway. Thus this UI can then be useful to mark an= y sumtcita place (or even, say, seltau) as incidental information.

I *think* {ta'o} works for that purpose, but others mi= ght disagree. There's also {ra'unai}, but I'm not sure if it= 9;s suitable, and I'd prefer an unnegated form because I believe that i= nformation should be considered restrictive by default.

ie zo ta'o mapti i ji'a lu ra'unai li&= #39;u na'e ka'e se smuni lo du'u na'e jimte

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