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(webmaster@kyleroucis.com@67.164.173.143) by mail906.opentransfer.com with ESMTPAM; 5 Aug 2015 00:45:00 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 67.164.173.143 From: Kyle Roucis Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3C4B82E0-8F58-4F53-BD1E-0F3171DFFEB0" Message-Id: <3BFCA946-8A58-446D-8C14-1D49A025DDE5@kyleroucis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) Subject: Re: [lojban] lojban for research on human-machine interfaces Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 18:44:55 -0600 References: To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Original-Sender: webmaster@kyleroucis.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 98.130.1.181 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of webmaster@kyleroucis.com) smtp.mail=webmaster@kyleroucis.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_bar: -- --Apple-Mail=_3C4B82E0-8F58-4F53-BD1E-0F3171DFFEB0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello Martin, I think I can speak for many of us in saying =E2=80=9CWelcome!=E2=80=9D (or= { coi }). Has anyone other than Wei and myself responded to your inquiry? = If not, I have a small amount of information that may help. 1) For the grammar and other aspects of the language like the phonetics, th= e ortography and vocabulary. Are there any informal records, simulations or= experiments leading to settling down on the particular aspects of the lang= uage? For example selecting the set of phonemes could be based on some kind= of optimization. Most, if not all, of these things are already codified in The Complete Lojb= an Language (also known as the Refer= ence Grammar or CLL). This set of documents includes orthography, pronuncia= tion, bridi structure, word classes, and so much more. Additionally, jbovla= ste is a dictionary system used by the commu= nity to find, categorize, and occasionally define words. I=E2=80=99m not certain what kind of records, simulations, or experiments y= ou would be looking for. The CLL is largely unambiguous about its pronuncia= tion, orthography, and grammar (though some changes are in the works). On t= he other hand, there is a growing corpus of lojban creations, conversations= , and proposals that help to demonstrate the practical applications of the = CLL. Virtually everything you could want related to lojban can be found at = the Lojban Mediawiki . 2) What is the estimate of people in the community and their fluency. Do yo= u think people in the community would be interested in participating in cog= nitive experiments designed for Lojban?=20 Some experiments might be paid and all results would be public and I hope l= eading to peer reviewed publication. Sadly, I am not well-integrated into the lojban community and have been rel= atively inactive in the last few months. I would wager a guess that the tot= al number of people who have or actively do engage in lojban study is betwe= en 200-300, though admittedly that seems a little high. Of that group, I on= ly know of a small handful (3-4) that the community at large might be comfo= rtable calling =E2=80=98fluent=E2=80=99. Again, this is just my perspective= ; and I frankly know nothing, John Snow. I would be very excited to help in any way I can. I have been fumbling with= building parsers, speech-to-text and text-to-speech synthesizers, and simp= le fiction of my own for a while now. If there is any way I can help furthe= r, please feel free to ask! mu=E2=80=99o mi=E2=80=99e la keidji Kyle Roucis www.kyleroucis.com kyle@kyleroucis.com 719-651-8007 > On Aug 4, 2015, at 07:33, Martin Felipe Perez-Guevara wrote: >=20 > Hi all. >=20 > I am currently a PHD student in cognitive and computational neuroscience.= I was looking for some conlang as a starting base to explore some ideas to= improve human information processing assisted by computers (lets simplify = and say improve reading). I particularly needed it as a start point to be e= asily to parse so I got very interested by Lojban unambigous grammar and de= cided to use it for my experiments.=20 >=20 > So I have two main questions for the community: >=20 > 1) For the grammar and other aspects of the language like the phonetics, = the ortography and vocabulary. Are there any informal records, simulations = or experiments leading to settling down on the particular aspects of the la= nguage? For example selecting the set of phonemes could be based on some ki= nd of optimization. >=20 > 2) What is the estimate of people in the community and their fluency. Do = you think people in the community would be interested in participating in c= ognitive experiments designed for Lojban?=20 > Some experiments might be paid and all results would be public and I hope= leading to peer reviewed publication. >=20 > I think research on Lojban might also be great advertisement for the lang= uage and the community. I particularly started learning it myself, I find i= t fascinating. >=20 > Thank you for taking the time to read this and for your future answers. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --Apple-Mail=_3C4B82E0-8F58-4F53-BD1E-0F3171DFFEB0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Hello Martin,

I think I can speak for man= y of us in saying =E2=80=9CWelcome!=E2=80=9D (or { coi }). Has anyone other= than Wei and myself responded to your inquiry? If not, I have a small amou= nt of information that may help.

=
1) For the grammar and other aspects of the l= anguage like the phonetics, the ortography and vocabulary. Are there any in= formal records, simulations or experiments leading to settling down on the = particular aspects of the language? For example selecting the set of phonem= es could be based on some kind of optimization.

Most, i= f not all, of these things are already codified in The Complete Lojban Language&n= bsp;(also known as the Reference Grammar or CLL). This set of documents inc= ludes orthography, pronunciation, bridi structure, word classes, and so muc= h more. Additionally, jbovlaste is a dictionary system used by the community to find,= categorize, and occasionally define words.

I=E2=80=99m not certain what kind of records, s= imulations, or experiments you would be looking for. The CLL is largely una= mbiguous about its pronunciation, orthography, and grammar (though some cha= nges are in the works). On the other hand, there is a growing corpus of loj= ban creations, conversations, and proposals that help to demonstrate the pr= actical applications of the CLL. Virtually everything you could want relate= d to lojban can be found at the Lojban Mediawiki.

2) What is the estima= te of people in the community and their fluency. Do you think people in the= community would be interested in participating in cognitive experiments de= signed for Lojban? 
Some experi= ments might be paid and all results would be public and I hope leading to p= eer reviewed publication.

Sadly, I am no= t well-integrated into the lojban community and have been relatively inacti= ve in the last few months. I would wager a guess that the total number of p= eople who have or actively do engage in lojban study is between 200-300, th= ough admittedly that seems a little high. Of that group, I only know of a s= mall handful (3-4) that the community at large might be comfortable calling= =E2=80=98fluent=E2=80=99. Again, this is just my perspective; and I frankl= y know nothing, John Snow.

I would be very excited to help in any way I can. I have been fum= bling with building parsers, speech-to-text and text-to-speech synthesizers= , and simple fiction of my own for a while now. If there is any way I can h= elp further, please feel free to ask!

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mu=E2=80=99o mi=E2=80=99e la keidji

Kyle Roucis
www.kyleroucis.com
kyle@k= yleroucis.com
719-651-8007

On= Aug 4, 2015, at 07:33, Martin Felipe Perez-Guevara <mperezguevara@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.

I = am currently a PHD student in cognitive and computational neuroscience. I w= as looking for some conlang as a starting base to explore some ideas to imp= rove human information processing assisted by computers (lets simplify and = say improve reading). I particularly needed it as a start point to be easil= y to parse so I got very interested by Lojban unambigous grammar and decide= d to use it for my experiments. 

<= /div>
So I have two main questions for the community:
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1) For the grammar and = other aspects of the language like the phonetics, the ortography and vocabu= lary. Are there any informal records, simulations or experiments leading to= settling down on the particular aspects of the language? For example selec= ting the set of phonemes could be based on some kind of optimization.
=

2) What is the estimat= e of people in the community and their fluency. Do you think people in the = community would be interested in participating in cognitive experiments des= igned for Lojban? 
Some experiments might be paid= and all results would be public and I hope leading to peer reviewed public= ation.

I think re= search on Lojban might also be great advertisement for the language and the= community. I particularly started learning it myself, I find it fascinatin= g.

Thank you for = taking the time to read this and for your future answers.

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