Received: from mail-la0-f59.google.com ([209.85.215.59]:34677) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZMsAf-0006aW-FD for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:27:30 -0700 Received: by labqg3 with SMTP id qg3sf7628947lab.1 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:27:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=aJXWhkk9pEEhwvrbpmf2JNHXW/oDBSgEXPAovIASRcU=; b=f0hrtMZnuU4JFsOlLnq3KioS8BS1ioRtf+D55BRqt5LZ5a4Z0GeMDhy7uF85Yp1Wdm qY5RpSCEX9qPfgQ7+yXebUZ636339xbyFyRxPU9pY0dekIYCoT4COgVzFi68vVp1gk7l J0PZv1HCv6kXbIFhKuxGnW9PsSn+i12eDk869X0ESQc7mC/BI3t9XxWOX5aoK7QG+A7n aKr5qyIsqjl3nbkxEE5CbMje8xMXNla0HAshcyUGq7SFI0YgSVsxrMegHnpjAaaEq70L V7rUVutI3uv8M7t4kGygoUYfyfJDxSwoPQ8yQfnE261vNAeMEZyz/YK+NKXzrmnvcOcn aVwg== X-Received: by 10.180.79.35 with SMTP id g3mr118545wix.17.1438756038258; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:27:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.101.226 with SMTP id fj2ls1046874wib.19.canary; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:27:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.75.49 with SMTP id z17mr933765wiv.7.1438756037841; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x234.google.com (mail-wi0-x234.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cj6si206209wib.1.2015.08.04.23.27.17 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::234; Received: by mail-wi0-x234.google.com with SMTP id xm9so51548109wib.1 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:27:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.172.130 with SMTP id bc2mr17858755wjc.85.1438756037769; Tue, 04 Aug 2015 23:27:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.138 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Aug 2015 23:26:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55C132F0.20008@gmail.com> References: <1c2a3b64-07b1-4023-a740-362deb17da34@googlegroups.com> <55AD070D.5020903@gmx.de> <55AE1142.5090807@gmx.de> <8bab9435-5f94-4742-b74a-8cceac2c8a60@googlegroups.com> <55AE616F.9040509@gmx.de> <55C132F0.20008@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 09:26:38 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] xoi and new soi as bridi relative clause To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013c63428cbeee051c8a7ed5 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --089e013c63428cbeee051c8a7ed5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2015-08-05 0:47 GMT+03:00 Ilmen : > =E2=80=A2 {mi sipna va'o lo nu tatpi} doesn't seem to entail {mi sipna} i= n modern > mainstream usage. > this can be just a shortcut for {va'o da'i}. I don't think {da'i} should be implied. Similarly, {ko'a va'o broda} in modern usage does seem to imply {mi broda}. And I don't think that {ko'a ka'e broda} immediately excludes {mi ca'a broda}. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e013c63428cbeee051c8a7ed5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 2015-08-05 0:47 GMT+03:00 Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>:
=E2=80=A2 {mi sipna va'o lo nu tatpi} doesn't = seem to entail {mi sipna} in modern mainstream usage.

this can be just a shortcut for {va'o da'i}. I don't= think {da'i} should be implied.
Simila= rly, {ko'a va'o broda} in modern usage does seem to imply {mi broda= }.

And= I don't think that {ko'a ka'e broda} immediately excludes {mi = ca'a broda}.

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