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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gt6si123792wib.1.2015.08.13.11.51.48 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Aug 2015 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::229; Received: by mail-wi0-x229.google.com with SMTP id hh20so86222200wib.0 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2015 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.37.33 with SMTP id v1mr9737325wij.88.1439491908516; Thu, 13 Aug 2015 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.227.8 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Aug 2015 11:51:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150813174343.GA7014@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20150720074736.GE27469@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <55ACDD18.10906@gmx.de> <20150813013002.GA16016@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20150813015026.GC16016@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20150813174343.GA7014@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: Michael Turniansky Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:51:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] CLL v1.1: Visual commentary, please. 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They've all been fine as far as I'm concerned. --gejyspa On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > That sort of thing should go in https://github.com/lojban/cll/issues > (and gleki already did it for you). > > What do you think of the whitespace/layout? > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 08:50:38AM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > I don't know if we are supposed to be proofreading (because I know the > > "gicmu", etc. issue in the index was already addressed), but I just > > happened to notice that on page 481, under VEI and VEhO the equation for > > some reason threw a line break between n and the superscripted 2... > > --gejyspa > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 06:30:03PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 01:35:52PM +0200, selpa'i wrote: > > > > > la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e > > > > > > > > > > http://vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_prince_spacing_test_2015-07-20.pdf > > > > > >is my attempt to merge everybody's thoughts about spacing. > > > > > >Compare > > > > > > > > > > http://vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_build-2015-06-20/cll_prince.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > >It has *MUCH* less vertical whitespace, in basically every > > > > > >department. It also has smaller headers. And less > > > > > >indentation. > > > > > > > > > > > >Sentences after examples and the like that appear to be > > > > > >continuations (i.e. start with lower case) are not indented. > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that's most of it. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > There is too little space around the examples and cmavo tables > > > > > now, so they almost disappear into the surrounding paragraphs. I > > > > > don't know if it's due to a missing line break or something > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > Try this: > > > > > > > > http://vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_prince_spacing_test_2015-08-12.pdf > > > > > > Complete version: > > > > > > > http://vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_prince_spacing_test_2015-08-12-full.pdf > > > > > > Which is 130 pages shorter than: > > > > > > > http://vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_prince_for_lsi_2015-03-15.pdf > > > > > > -- > > > http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic > future. > > > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e > > > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > > > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu > sofybakni > > > li'u > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "lojban" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > li'u > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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=C2=A0 Looks fine to me, but I've never understood the= subtleties of graphic layout, so I just leave that kind of stuff to those = who care about it. They've all been fine as far as I'm concerned.= =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa
<= /div>

On Thu, Aug = 13, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.o= rg> wrote:
That sort of thi= ng should go in https://github.com/lojban/cll/issues
(and gleki already did it for you).

What do you think of the whitespace/layout?

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 08:50:38AM -0400, Michael Turniansky wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't know if we are supposed to be proofreading (be= cause I know the
> "gicmu", etc. issue in the index was already addressed), but= I just
> happened to notice that on page 481, under VEI and VEhO the equation f= or
> some reason threw a line break between n and the superscripted 2... >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom= .org> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 06:30:03PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:=
> > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 01:35:52PM +0200, selpa'i wrote:=
> > > > la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e
> > > > >
> > http:= //vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_prince_spacing_test_2015-07-2= 0.pdf
> > > > >is my attempt to merge everybody's thoughts abo= ut spacing.
> > > > >Compare
> > > > >
> > http://v= rici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_build-2015-06-20/cll_prince.pdf<= /a>
> > > > >
> > > > >It has *MUCH* less vertical whitespace, in basicall= y every
> > > > >department.=C2=A0 It also has smaller headers.=C2= =A0 And less
> > > > >indentation.
> > > > >
> > > > >Sentences after examples and the like that appear t= o be
> > > > >continuations (i.e. start with lower case) are not = indented.
> > > > >
> > > > >I think that's most of it.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > There is too little space around the examples and cmavo= tables
> > > > now, so they almost disappear into the surrounding para= graphs. I
> > > > don't know if it's due to a missing line break = or something
> > > > else.
> > >
> > > Try this:
> > >
> > http:= //vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_prince_spacing_test_2015-08-1= 2.pdf
> >
> > Complete version:
> >
> > = http://vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_prince_spacing_test_2015= -08-12-full.pdf
> >
> > Which is 130 pages shorter than:
> >
> > http://vri= ci.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_prince_for_lsi_2015-03-15.pdf<= br> > >
> > --
> > http://intelligence.org/ :=C2=A0 Our last, best hope for a fan= tastic future.
> > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'= i li'u .e
> > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li= 'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
> > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e= lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni
> > li'u
> >
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lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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