Received: from mail-vk0-f58.google.com ([209.85.213.58]:33354) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQHJQ-00055S-6O for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:54:36 -0700 Received: by vkft5 with SMTP id t5sf584654vkf.0 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:54:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=BfBXNNAX9M7NN93WCmb4Dv8yyDecd05DuKcTs05kB4A=; b=uXtfH4+M2AQJyP3VCxsTwiXglXF0yfSgaYnE7tUs2i1myVnW4/xgyANhjgOvrUBOYr hd4EqChqQXSNNLKx763TGNtEBgcjBVDOxp17qrt6Dqej8gD8a3VH0LWd+D8Whk+95ZmG tH3sTQI+c5xH1F9a6iSt9w/UnBnJMrBxtBkgyY6kKuxUL6xMpvir3P34qGwA64Spyrb5 hfPMNuv4XGV2LLR8e7+ieecO4yRiqwmhwS8mTHF8moFyN265J1pERrTkgrhCLd1YrJXr 9n3h8M1ObyBEP5uxBO/z3diMl/7VjZUrceYxxYop/GYB8/saRJIaNHQxR+YcZZXoA4lv DxSg== X-Received: by 10.140.20.56 with SMTP id 53mr426504qgi.9.1439567666254; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:54:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.98.68 with SMTP id n62ls1340279qge.10.gmail; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.237.204 with SMTP id i195mr20918788qhc.7.1439567665692; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jerrington.me (jerrington.me. [192.99.166.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v78si646215ywe.1.2015.08.14.08.54.25 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 08:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of tsani@mail.jerrington.me designates 192.99.166.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.99.166.45; Received: from [192.168.100.114] (unknown [142.157.0.173]) by jerrington.me (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78DF7145C4F for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55CE0F30.3010002@mail.jerrington.me> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 11:54:24 -0400 From: Jacob Thomas Errington User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] bo+VUhU References: <55CDD930.4010106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030203020807030002070000" X-Original-Sender: tsani@mail.jerrington.me X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of tsani@mail.jerrington.me designates 192.99.166.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tsani@mail.jerrington.me Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030203020807030002070000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 08/14/2015 08:54 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > 2015-08-14 15:04 GMT+03:00 Ilmen >: > > coi lo ro do > > *CLL 1.0 Chapter 6: > * > 15.3) li .abu bopi'i xy. bote'a re su'i by. bopi'i xy. su'i cy. > the-number a times x to-power 2 plus b times x plus c > ax^2 + bx + c > > It's the first time ever I see this bo+VUhU pattern, and it seems > this example sentence from the CLL is not grammatical under any of > the following parsers: YACC, Jbofihe, Visual Camxes, Camxes JS. > > > Neither do formal grammars of CLL where the only mentions of them in > mekso are > https://lojban.github.io/cll/21/1/#y915 > https://lojban.github.io/cll/21/1/#y1010 > https://lojban.github.io/cll/21/1/#y1005 > I'm convinced this is a CLL error. It looks like the intent is to get right-associativity, so that the ^2 affects "x", and so "x^2" is in turn multiplied by "a". In the second term, the "bo" is used particularly for tight binding, to prevent the default equal left-association of all VUhU. These BO+VUhU should all be VUhU+BO. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --------------030203020807030002070000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 08/14/2015 08:54 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:


2015-08-14 15:04 GMT+03:00 Ilmen <i= lmen.pokebip@gmail.com>:
coi lo ro do

CLL 1.0 Chapter 6:
15.3)=C2=A0 li .abu bopi'i xy. bot= e'a re su'i by. bopi'i xy. su'i cy.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the-number a tim= es x to-power 2 plus b times x plus c
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ax2= =C2=A0 + bx + c

It's the first time ever I see this bo+VUhU pattern, and it seems this example sentence from the CLL is not grammatical under any of the following parsers: YACC, Jbofihe, Visual Camxes, Camxes JS.

Neither =C2=A0do formal grammars of CLL where the only mentions of them in mekso are


I'm convinced this is a CLL error. It looks like the intent is to get right-associativity, so that the ^2 affects "x", and so "x^2" is in turn multiplied by "a". In the second term, the "bo" is used particularly for tight binding, to prevent the default equal left-association of all VUhU. These BO+VUhU should all be VUhU+BO.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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