Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::232;
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <16379753.h0Xzzxiggv@caracal>
References: <16379753.h0Xzzxiggv@caracal>
From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 15:56:01 +0300
Message-ID: <CAO7bV+h-TE8DkbPWMETGS56HRX_E7dAAuHZFh-Qi64g8qWY7RA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] seca'o
To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" <lojban@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bfcf3c6f802c8051e9af669
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
X-Spam_score: -1.7
X-Spam_score_int: -16
X-Spam_bar: -

--047d7bfcf3c6f802c8051e9af669
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

2015-08-31 15:30 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:

> One of the questions added yesterday has the answer "seca'o". As far as I'm
> aware, this is ungrammatical; members of BAI may be converted with SE,
> which
> is equivalent to converting the corresponding brivla, but tense markers
> cannot.
>

This has already been discussed in IRC. Possible solutions:
1. ca su'o pagbu be ko'a
2. {ca lo nu ca'o broda} (i.e. invert the order or clauses that you need)
or {i ca bo ca'o broda}


> Related question: what is the Lojban for "tense" in the grammar sense,
> including spatial tenses?
>

Depends on which selmaho you want to include into your definition. Are TAhE
tenses, is "Present Continuous" a tense or not? Is {PA roi} a tense? Is
{fi'o fadni} a tense?


>
> Pierre
> --
> Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "lojban" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--047d7bfcf3c6f802c8051e9af669
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-08-31 15:30 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</=
span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-sty=
le:solid;padding-left:1ex">One of the questions added yesterday has the ans=
wer &quot;seca&#39;o&quot;. As far as I&#39;m<br>
aware, this is ungrammatical; members of BAI may be converted with SE, whic=
h<br>
is equivalent to converting the corresponding brivla, but tense markers<br>
cannot.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This has already been discussed=
 in IRC. Possible solutions:</div><div>1. ca su&#39;o pagbu be ko&#39;a</di=
v><div>2. {ca lo nu ca&#39;o broda} (i.e. invert the order or clauses that =
you need) or {i ca bo ca&#39;o broda}</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;bo=
rder-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Related question: what is the Lojban for &quot;tense&quot; in the grammar s=
ense,<br>
including spatial tenses?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Depends on wh=
ich selmaho you want to include into your definition. Are TAhE tenses, is &=
quot;Present Continuous&quot; a tense or not? Is {PA roi} a tense? Is {fi&#=
39;o fadni} a tense?</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;bo=
rder-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Pierre<br>
<span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
Don&#39;t buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.<br>
<br>
--<br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &=
quot;lojban&quot; group.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com">lojban+uns=
ubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.=
com">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
Visit this group at <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/lojban" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/lojban</a>=
.<br>
For more options, visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/optout" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/optout</a>.<b=
r>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &=
quot;lojban&quot; group.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com">lojban+unsub=
scribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br />
To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.=
com">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>.<br />
Visit this group at <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/lojban">http:=
//groups.google.com/group/lojban</a>.<br />
For more options, visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/optout">http=
s://groups.google.com/d/optout</a>.<br />

--047d7bfcf3c6f802c8051e9af669--