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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x9si964927wiy.1.2015.08.31.09.14.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f; Received: by mail-wi0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id jd9so5156521wic.1 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.105.36 with SMTP id gj4mr19687184wib.49.1441037640870; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:14:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.138 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:13:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1655146.arRor6IsMZ@caracal> References: <16379753.h0Xzzxiggv@caracal> <14414785.X0ccYd0fi0@caracal> <1655146.arRor6IsMZ@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 19:13:21 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] seca'o To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442823cb130d0051e9db8a1 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --f46d0442823cb130d0051e9db8a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-08-31 18:11 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > On Monday, August 31, 2015 17:24:49 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > Okay, then one more question: are {fi'o jai ve'a tcaci}, {fi'o se ranji} > > and {fi'o jai ve'a tcaci} tenses? > > A {fi'o} construction of any sort is not a tense, but {ve'a} is a tense > marker. > The previous constucts were proposed expansions of TAhE. I don't think I can immediately understand which features tense markers must possess to be called tenses (not being able to take SE, not being able to work as sumtcita?) but what I can say that your question isn't relevant to the notion of "tense marker" in general but to Lojbanic understanding of it. So any new brivla (hopefully not cimjvo invading jvajvo space) would do. > Pierre > -- > ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2015-08-31 18:11 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Monday, August= 31, 2015 17:24:49 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> Okay, then one more question: are {fi'o jai ve'a tcaci}, {fi&#= 39;o se ranji}
> and {fi'o jai ve'a tcaci} tenses?

A {fi'o} construction of any sort is not a tense, but {ve'a}= is a tense marker.

The previous constu= cts were proposed expansions of TAhE.

I don't = think I can immediately understand which features tense markers must posses= s to be called tenses (not being able to take SE, not being able to work as= sumtcita?) but=C2=A0

what I can say that your que= stion isn't relevant to the notion of "tense marker" in gener= al but to Lojbanic understanding of it. So any new brivla (hopefully not ci= mjvo invading jvajvo space) would do.


Pierre
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