Received: from mail-qg0-f64.google.com ([209.85.192.64]:33672) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWStH-0008NN-5G for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:29:27 -0700 Received: by qgeb6 with SMTP id b6sf33661052qge.0 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:29:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=JhdQBqSACXddEhT790ItW5WspbVHOWKTFcDHmhtGRCI=; b=tHSNwv2ik9VIkDbzg75bh+pqEYsagC5MrDDGcrH0AJ8ros2ZOsdGMEJQluO4uJVRok REv0l7EVqOujE4cF7QJzQhSoyu/LnEawHIyaOnxJ0STmS909ArWExpxqSIMsFKdorCxk AvaIywVTSdXUOECFnu52D2Vv6EHP5U4pfqDijMMBZ95S8Sr42adrSuebHBVaC/5h6/+e sl+sulxGtLQD8pa8Pbcg14auPYUcRCcRH2DB0koy8L8kKTyA6eSpuqJErvJ3v/bzM6o1 9XwYme6+4PPlR+5RuPZ42/04vPIHMbG05RtvpRphluh14zm7i3msGXiRy15zaSOKcq8Q kdOQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=JhdQBqSACXddEhT790ItW5WspbVHOWKTFcDHmhtGRCI=; b=KiZMg2UyxoQprChBrc7o/GOuKGP6Qm2r9YanyuvtrxxpPlqLBgf8NNlyCyks8NunyF H/HzZS0uRQF9jhcTZ+ZCahuZmJdzZkgSiRJjaSs3OeDwrENAMUrPe43cCAfiNB/gFh+g 82SpNoYCuy++/PGOWY4wIuTIc/7QxZuK5cMbus736SO5WbpK93Eqijf1bBQZabR0ElBc XM/ZRn2ffFSm1E+FYRoNHfKHM8LYoYAZeCAuRtekxuAI19/KpTZk8IWslzXj7K7MvPcJ Pr3nwVRrJY2fu8NiJkqZiShqPPw2pY0Tob8eXUe3V0josWavVahcfSCfK53nWMMEDi4D GmMg== X-Received: by 10.182.44.163 with SMTP id f3mr361475obm.7.1441042141194; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:29:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.29.41 with SMTP id g9ls3204711obh.89.gmail; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.44.163 with SMTP id f3mr361473obm.7.1441042140959; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) From: la durka To: lojban Cc: phma@bezitopo.org Message-Id: <4e32376f-242e-4740-82de-190a5bdbe8dc@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <16379753.h0Xzzxiggv@caracal> References: <16379753.h0Xzzxiggv@caracal> Subject: [lojban] Re: seca'o MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_434_1965453000.1441042140387" X-Original-Sender: durka42@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_434_1965453000.1441042140387 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_435_796329342.1441042140387" ------=_Part_435_796329342.1441042140387 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I submitted that question. I did not even realize that ZAhO tags can't be= =20 converted with SE per the official grammar, so I guess the question should= =20 be reformulated if we want to insist on official grammar only in the=20 nooLearn questions (which we actually never discussed AFAIK). This is a=20 case for tag unification, which I find a very compelling proposal. El lunes, 31 de agosto de 2015, 8:30:12 (UTC-4), Pierre Abbat escribi=C3=B3= : > > One of the questions added yesterday has the answer "seca'o". As far as= =20 > I'm=20 > aware, this is ungrammatical; members of BAI may be converted with SE,=20 > which=20 > is equivalent to converting the corresponding brivla, but tense markers= =20 > cannot.=20 > > Related question: what is the Lojban for "tense" in the grammar sense,=20 > including spatial tenses?=20 > > Pierre=20 > --=20 > Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.=20 > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_435_796329342.1441042140387 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I submitted that question. I did not even realize that ZAh= O tags can't be converted with SE per the official grammar, so I guess = the question should be reformulated if we want to insist on official gramma= r only in the nooLearn questions (which we actually never discussed AFAIK).= This is a case for tag unification, which I find a very compelling proposa= l.

El lunes, 31 de agosto de 2015, 8:30:12 (UTC-4), Pierre Abbat es= cribi=C3=B3:
One of the questio= ns added yesterday has the answer "seca'o". As far as I'm= =20
aware, this is ungrammatical; members of BAI may be converted with SE, = which=20
is equivalent to converting the corresponding brivla, but tense markers= =20
cannot.

Related question: what is the Lojban for "tense" in the gramm= ar sense,=20
including spatial tenses?

Pierre
--=20
Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

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