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2015-09-01 4:28 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:

> On Monday, August 31, 2015 21:39:23 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> > Neither {fi'o ... fe'u} constructs. Why can't they be tenses?
>
> They are an open class equivalent to BAI. The selbri inside can be
> converted
> with SE.
>
> > That would  by semantics include {ka'a}, won't it? or you want to allow
> > spatial markers but make a syntactic exclusion for Lojban?
>
> {ka'a} is grammatically not a tense marker, but a member of BAI.
>
> Sometimes tense is conflated with aspect and mood, the whole thing being
> called
> tense; sometimes they are separated. We should probably have words for
> both.
> In Lojban, aspects and tenses are expressed in the same way, but with
> different
> selma'o; mood, however, is expressed differently. The modals (CAhA) are
> part of
> the tense-aspect system, but subjunctive and irrealis are expressed with
> some
> members of UI, and the imperative is expressed with a pronoun.
>

Yes, that's what I'm talking. If {ka'a} can be a tense marker like {fa'a}
or {mo'i ne'i} in some natlangs then you can't reconcile this fact with
Lojban system.


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> Pierre
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-09-01 4:28 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</spa=
n>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Monday, August 31=
, 2015 21:39:23 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:<br>
&gt; Neither {fi&#39;o ... fe&#39;u} constructs. Why can&#39;t they be tens=
es?<br>
<br>
</span>They are an open class equivalent to BAI. The selbri inside can be c=
onverted<br>
with SE.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt; That would=C2=A0 by semantics include {ka&#39;a}, won&#39;t it? or you=
 want to allow<br>
&gt; spatial markers but make a syntactic exclusion for Lojban?<br>
<br>
</span>{ka&#39;a} is grammatically not a tense marker, but a member of BAI.=
<br>
<br>
Sometimes tense is conflated with aspect and mood, the whole thing being ca=
lled<br>
tense; sometimes they are separated. We should probably have words for both=
.<br>
In Lojban, aspects and tenses are expressed in the same way, but with diffe=
rent<br>
selma&#39;o; mood, however, is expressed differently. The modals (CAhA) are=
 part of<br>
the tense-aspect system, but subjunctive and irrealis are expressed with so=
me<br>
members of UI, and the imperative is expressed with a pronoun.<br></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div><div>Yes, that&#39;s what I&#39;m talking. If {ka&#39;a}=
 can be a tense marker like {fa&#39;a} or {mo&#39;i ne&#39;i} in some natla=
ngs then you can&#39;t reconcile this fact with Lojban system.</div><div>=
=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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