Received: from mail-oi0-f64.google.com ([209.85.218.64]:32812) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWmbp-00024Q-7P for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 07:32:34 -0700 Received: by oixx17 with SMTP id x17sf301763oix.0 for ; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 07:32:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x_cmae_category:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=XscIp0XQSvOq/DcavB5Zj9JMNL/ryyoiIReEg7kHYEM=; b=UJaEAxJ+Ug7c1+QcblUfXa+gZ7ooQstbpau2C3uL3VpURpcbiwk/MjBK2IAD6QIXQt X/jimePqTP6u0fjd7UKKABLi6PXK3u4UAG+HiU9nxuTzJA4yCpfhhc2VAx6orhGdJ2CJ LXCtz8Pz15nq/SINhYTy4gWFW26pqFTe4J0A7uUOp6DSg4ppbc4adlynIXtM7S7yuOZT MeaZgWYpzA95pcHSCpO8HlU+A/LJbICopoDS9jP0i6ppBLcwxvdJYZ1VLplpKA53SJmO Y/7xNLJw7sTZgF2tCZObnPfWIgfz04WT1Z0+1V0z6AyAlTb2Lgv5ciE+y2JVoP7FNLCA LsnA== X-Received: by 10.50.4.72 with SMTP id i8mr50475igi.7.1441117939266; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 07:32:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.79.165 with SMTP id k5ls1207835igx.40.canary; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 07:32:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.142.8 with SMTP id rs8mr3178857igb.13.1441117937272; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 07:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.hughes.net (smtp.hughes.net. [69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ct10si190876igb.1.2015.09.01.07.32.17 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Sep 2015 07:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ZujUdbLG c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=tu8v4/BYpNWK47pT606GYA==:117 a=tu8v4/BYpNWK47pT606GYA==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ff-B7xzCdYMA:10 a=l_a-neSMnoj0wdWifXcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 173.95.140.180 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [173.95.140.180] ([173.95.140.180:45150] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 02/7B-08210-0F6B5E55; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 10:32:16 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17935EFC for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 10:32:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] seca'o Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 10:32:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1471868.Wk5cDk5DuI@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-62-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <16379753.h0Xzzxiggv@caracal> <1772520.0r4z4guCtK@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_bar: -- On Tuesday, September 01, 2015 09:02:03 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Yes, that's what I'm talking. If {ka'a} can be a tense marker like {fa'a} > or {mo'i ne'i} in some natlangs then you can't reconcile this fact with > Lojban system. I don't understand. Back to the original question: what is the Lojban word for "tense" in the grammatical sense, including spatial tenses, and including or not combinations of tense and aspect? And what's the word for "aspect"? Pierre -- gau do li'i co'e kei do -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.