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[98.138.91.159]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u4si289138igb.0.2015.09.02.07.23.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Sep 2015 07:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.91.159 as permitted sender) client-ip=98.138.91.159; Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm29.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2015 14:23:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.12] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2015 14:23:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2015 14:23:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 478512.77468.bm@omp1012.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: PMo8B9EVM1lDCAuMStplsamh5z_AppYb8IK8GHw5LJb3lyzsLgvxRsySCQOEkc9 7y5gqS59HyK6a4lm1NZy6FZKOrM8zLtWsCfKoAnx3bKPQI6stDB9lfANc036l4sqxh6Ix_9q7ZNH 7jGHScY5CWEQBdX3lbbslSgwfSTzMAP8wBgDqRfqOvP5RZrZ4oxJ34VXgFw65U_QCpZBYV67dWVa bNImH3OPl2H2QOD0aHcZ0MY6YPfOmdNmzgPfWkrzxhU_MGWBboySy4z4UqZWz0FfymZc.6fPmr1V onzxiEw.8ERI2g2Vx16xw0u6fgnb06k0X6rQa.P20vaejHbr_2LgfapcZStOJBurNo.KOWP3FOpa SR5hBNg5SowBk83SAGzRyXO05XlUs2v8fY5Po0xSNKzQv_e.lWv8xSA3VMFzibj5VAuc6Ta.2rzP jP2720NrFGV7zNdyNB4Y2Ck4Dwo3w4c5Fm4Cqc7Xl84RIwraijK9jEXG0RNF_o515grb0MmuUJAP .xqvLQrg.tGm1IiF_ Received: by 98.138.105.204; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 14:23:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:23:24 +0000 (UTC) From: "'John E Clifford' via lojban" Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Message-ID: <1910462725.387124.1441203804517.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1471868.Wk5cDk5DuI@caracal> References: <1471868.Wk5cDk5DuI@caracal> Subject: Re: [lojban] seca'o MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_387123_1250539449.1441203804515" Content-Length: 4861 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.91.159 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: John E Clifford X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_387123_1250539449.1441203804515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "tense" in the fullest sense seems to be just {farna valsi} however collaps= ed. "aspect" in either sense doesn't seem to have convenient sources (after= an admittedly brief look). =C2=A0=20 On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 9:32 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: =20 On Tuesday, September 01, 2015 09:02:03 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Yes, that's what I'm talking. If {ka'a} can be a tense marker like {fa'a} > or {mo'i ne'i} in some natlangs then you can't reconcile this fact with > Lojban system. I don't understand. Back to the original question: what is the Lojban word = for=20 "tense" in the grammatical sense, including spatial tenses, and including o= r=20 not combinations of tense and aspect? And what's the word for "aspect"? Pierre --=20 gau do li'i co'e kei do --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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"tense" in the fullest sense seems = to be just {farna valsi} however collapsed. "aspect" in either sense doesn'= t seem to have convenient sources (after an admittedly brief look).  <= /span>



On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 9:32 AM, = Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:


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On Tuesday, September 01, 2015 09:02:03 Glek= i Arxokuna wrote:
> Yes, that's what I'm talking. If {ka'a} can be a = tense marker like {fa'a}
> or {mo'i ne'i} in some natlangs then you c= an't reconcile this fact with
> Lojban system.

I don't underst= and. Back to the original question: what is the Lojban word for
"tense"= in the grammatical sense, including spatial tenses, and including or
n= ot combinations of tense and aspect? And what's the word for "aspect"?
<= br>Pierre
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