Received: from mail-la0-f60.google.com ([209.85.215.60]:32986) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYzwU-0002pG-MU for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:10:58 -0700 Received: by laag3 with SMTP id g3sf18168615laa.0 for ; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:10:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=fqqeoha97hr04Nf0Yal2kQa9JB7lX5pC49NZ4OxOO+8=; b=myh3PaDG2IEg5lMNS+0E6uEeXdWtvGTOPw0uQN6sfvQ5xzptK3Hsx8CtzNJBAkciSE +Ldk8sBeShSwyVt2aI6EDDgmSobEOeeXgDrbbHQLXfOGWHMRBs1LoA8k381dO3LV+xfP VZpRgpywYX70RCrGdeGkgxTTLfQGFHN6kZnbUCc5VHJ0eY/TPXbPU4nCb5QUq9ayoVdC oboFNF1DxZSKDOCEJrnhXMjHwgaQVjRjlyyHA16mqzrjv2XLDQLJrAo9yKyRYC0gZepR 2kUvnZK7TtYdBgMtXp1GWO9YhD4eMLxJ3yxt0KNQUXtcLUDn1N9mbO+Hu0xb54nyRhCw DDag== X-Received: by 10.152.27.228 with SMTP id w4mr52091lag.7.1441645847761; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:10:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.1.101 with SMTP id 5ls656494lal.59.gmail; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.152.224.129 with SMTP id rc1mr5278325lac.10.1441645846699; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x235.google.com (mail-wi0-x235.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c7si30050wiy.3.2015.09.07.10.10.46 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::235; Received: by mail-wi0-x235.google.com with SMTP id ge5so90256410wic.0 for ; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.24.72 with SMTP id s8mr35091250wif.49.1441645846462; Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.158.200 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 10:10:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55EDBC7B.7010601@mail.jerrington.me> References: <16379753.h0Xzzxiggv@caracal> <1772520.0r4z4guCtK@caracal> <55E5B46C.8080909@mail.jerrington.me> <1632394.vID1u9LHH1@caracal> <55EDBC7B.7010601@mail.jerrington.me> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 20:10:07 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] seca'o To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0438933f92072d051f2b545c X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --f46d0438933f92072d051f2b545c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-09-07 19:34 GMT+03:00 Jacob Errington : > I agree with gleki on the idea that using words like "tense" and "aspect" > for teaching lojban grammar is probably unnecessary. > It depends on whom you teach :) Sure some people might have been taking some linguistic courses in high school or university and be ready to accept such terms. But they differ between languages. Such terms as "tense", "preposition", "verb", "noun" are so often misused in cross-linguistic studies so that we can use them only as approximations in certain methods of teaching Lojban, approximations that are in no way can be the goal or the final word of what is being taught. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --f46d0438933f92072d051f2b545c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 2015-09-07 19:34 GMT+03:00 Jacob Errington <tsani@mail.jerrington.m= e>:
I agree with gleki on the idea that usin= g words like "tense" and "aspect" for teaching lojban g= rammar is probably unnecessary.

It depends = on whom you teach :) Sure some people might have been taking some linguisti= c courses in high school or university and be ready to accept such terms.

But the= y differ between languages. Such terms as "tense", "preposit= ion", "verb", "noun" are so often misused in cross= -linguistic studies so that we can use them only as approximations in certa= in methods of teaching Lojban, approximations that are in no way can be the= goal or the final word of what is being taught.

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