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la .piier. cu cusku di'e
> On Thursday, September 10, 2015 08:32:28 la durka wrote:
>> ma'a djuno ke po'o lo du'u ba'e la su'o da cu ciska tai la srilermorna soi
>> lo nu noda tcidu kakne cu krinu iau xunai zo'oru'e
>
> ki'a
>
> {ke} groups parts of a tanru, so {lo} right after it (skipping {po'o}, which
> is in UI) is ungrammatical.

{ke} also groups operands, e.g. {lo mlatu .e ke lo gerku .a lo cipni 
[ke'e]}.

durka's usage is an extension of this, inspired by guskant's zantufa.

> {la su'o da} appears to be using a grammatical rule I'm unaware of. {la da
> broda} is a sumti, but {la su'o da broda} is a bridi, and similarly with {le},
> and I don't know what it means.

{la} and {le} have the exact same grammar everywhere except when cmevla 
are involved.

A quantified sumti can be preceded by a gadri to turn the quantifier 
into an inner quantifier. These are called sumti-based descriptions, see:

https://lojban.github.io/cll/6/9/

And for the xorlo expansions:

https://mw.lojban.org/papri/BPFK_Section:_gadri#Formal_definitions

{la su'o da} is "Someone" and has become a common expression for things 
like "Someone should do this", often implying that oneself won't do it. 
"I'll just wait for Someone to fix it".

> {soi lo nu noda tcidu kakne}: I'm trying to find {lo nu noda tcidu kakne} so
> that I can exchange it with something, I don't know what, and I fail.

This is new-{soi}, which has the same grammar as {xoi}. It is a bridi 
relative clause. See also: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/new_soi

(note that that page was written pre-{xoi} and some of the examples 
would be better with {xoi})

As far as usage, CLL-{soi} isn't really used much anymore.

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