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Another possibility for a complicated language for this expression is
Ptydepe, starring in V=C3=A1clav Havel's play "The memorandum".

stevo

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:04 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> Am 26.07.2012 06:58, schrieb Gleki Arxokuna:
>
>> I understood the joke. pe'i metaphorical expressions are possible in
>> Lojban but must be clearly defined
>> to prevent culture-specific misunderstanding.
>>
>
> If you define a metaphor that way, it's not really a metaphor anymore. Yo=
u
> only get the full effect if .itkuil means the language and then say thing=
s
> like {xu di'u .itkuile} to express your confusion. Of course metaphors ar=
e
> fine, and when they are not obvious, you can mark them with pe'a.
>
> In the Netherlands and Russia they say "It's Chinese to me" in such
>> situations.
>>
>
> In Germany, people say "das kommt mir spanisch vor" =3D "this seems spani=
sh
> to me" to exress not-understanding or that something is odd. Using foreig=
n
> languages in such metaphors is common all over the planet, so using .itku=
il
> (or any other non-lojban language, even though the comical effect is
> greater with .itkuil, it being another conlang and known for its
> complexity) will do the job. Again, use pe'a or zo'o when you aren't sure
> people will get it.
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
> --
> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">Another possibility for a complicated language for this expr=
ession is Ptydepe, starring in V=C3=A1clav Havel&#39;s play &quot;The memor=
andum&quot;.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
ourier new,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:courier new,monospace">stevo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:04 AM, selpa&#39;i =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">s=
eladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span=
 class=3D"">Am 26.07.2012 06:58, schrieb Gleki Arxokuna:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I understood the joke. pe&#39;i metaphorical expressions are possible in Lo=
jban but must be clearly defined<br>
to prevent culture-specific misunderstanding.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
If you define a metaphor that way, it&#39;s not really a metaphor anymore. =
You only get the full effect if .itkuil means the language and then say thi=
ngs like {xu di&#39;u .itkuile} to express your confusion. Of course metaph=
ors are fine, and when they are not obvious, you can mark them with pe&#39;=
a.<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In the Netherlands and Russia they say &quot;It&#39;s Chinese to me&quot; i=
n such situations.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
In Germany, people say &quot;das kommt mir spanisch vor&quot; =3D &quot;thi=
s seems spanish to me&quot; to exress not-understanding or that something i=
s odd. Using foreign languages in such metaphors is common all over the pla=
net, so using .itkuil (or any other non-lojban language, even though the co=
mical effect is greater with .itkuil, it being another conlang and known fo=
r its complexity) will do the job. Again, use pe&#39;a or zo&#39;o when you=
 aren&#39;t sure people will get it.<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
<br>
-- <br></span>
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo<span cl=
ass=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
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