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[65.55.169.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y11si795701ywd.7.2015.10.11.05.31.31 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Oct 2015 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au designates 65.55.169.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=65.55.169.54; Received: from BL2PR01MB370.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.141.90.16) by BL2PR01MB372.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.141.90.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.293.16; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:31:30 +0000 Received: from BL2PR01MB370.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.141.90.16]) by BL2PR01MB370.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.141.90.16]) with mapi id 15.01.0293.007; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:31:30 +0000 From: Timothy Lawrence To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [lojban] CLLv1.1 goes out on Monday, 12 Oct 2015 Thread-Topic: [lojban] CLLv1.1 goes out on Monday, 12 Oct 2015 Thread-Index: AQHRAwxwuycjxmOJ0kapT2gXlTcWJp5mMNfH Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:31:29 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20151010033327.GC13991@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20151010033327.GC13991@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Accept-Language: en-AU, en-US Content-Language: en-AU X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [132.245.163.181] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;BL2PR01MB372;5:4FdrKggrIyxK6G+pNiWchXhMvemJwKv294sD7Oyz0Ih9LLnk35qKmw5yvbXZIu/xkkKn/yhanVDAy9LTpoW0MRpdRs8iAMUYb6Fp9PssgEjR4L4/Ao1O1Wq/xc5vQILSEIX1WSLEqIaRQ/vpyP5p2w==;24:QkhwPua3JB5OfoVoo8Vf2Nnx/SgF423DsttLqlEhCNAT4Ia6ECxndZvwv+PMyU2IWpaIA4/LuF216DZk/tzLSyJKPURlhG3HmxFL3TFdErc=;20:/OMVQrPI5MZbd04Iq2fnCZgSYlabbmQHkvvtrBQ+Nd/Jr23QpmzQSC5StRAk3sI6XYn71cItOowXMj9XNheDxA== x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(42134001)(42139001)(42142116001);SRVR:BL2PR01MB372; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(2401047)(8121501046)(5005006)(520078)(3002001);SRVR:BL2PR01MB372;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BL2PR01MB372; x-forefront-prvs: 0726B2D7A6 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(189002)(199003)(377454003)(122556002)(2950100001)(450100001)(101416001)(106356001)(5003600100002)(5007970100001)(10400500002)(66066001)(107886002)(19580395003)(40100003)(5001960100002)(74316001)(110136002)(92566002)(88552001)(2351001)(16799955002)(46102003)(105586002)(33656002)(77096005)(189998001)(19580405001)(81156007)(64706001)(102836002)(5004730100002)(76176999)(87936001)(5008740100001)(15188155005)(54356999)(15395725005)(50986999)(97736004)(74482002)(5002640100001)(11100500001)(86362001)(2501003)(2900100001)(106116001)(15975445007)(19623215001);DIR:OUT;SFP:1101;SCL:1;SRVR:BL2PR01MB372;H:BL2PR01MB370.prod.exchangelabs.com;FPR:;SPF:None;PTR:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:1;LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: connect.qut.edu.au does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: connect.qut.edu.au X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 11 Oct 2015 12:31:29.1665 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: dc0b52a3-68c5-44f7-881d-9383d8850b96 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BL2PR01MB372 X-Original-Sender: timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au designates 65.55.169.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=qut.edu.au Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - I have been briefly reviewing the CLL version at http://vrici.lojban.org/~r= lpowell/media/public/cll_nochunks_2015-10-05/#section-pronunciation The main feedback I have is to be sure that its suggestion of pronunciation= is correct, especially for "o". The text seems to make assumptions about the reader's dialect of English. The section on pronunciation says "o as in =E2=80=9Cdome=E2=80=9D" but my d= ialect of English pronounces "dome" as http://howjsay.com/index.php?word=3D= dome&submit=3DSubmit (i.e. a diphthong, which is incorrect). This may resul= t in many readers learning the wrong pronunciation of Lojban. I mentioned this issue also existing in the "Level 0 Booklet" publication i= n my "Pronunciation of "o"" email to the lojban-beginners group. There must= be a better example word that has the correct "o" for all dialects of Engl= ish. So this is CLLv1.1: is this only for fixing errata? How much content is sub= ject to change? Is there a schedule for the second edition? https://mw.lojb= an.org/papri/suggestions_for_CLL,_second_edition ________________________________________ From: lojban@googlegroups.com on behalf of Robin = Lee Powell Sent: Saturday, 10 October 2015 1:33 PM To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] CLLv1.1 goes out on Monday, 12 Oct 2015 I'm finishing a review of Chapter 19, but it's otherwise done and I expect to have that done shortly. So, if you need me to wait because you're reviewing it, now would be a *very* good time to say so. I can, of course, always update it later. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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