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2015-10-11 20:42 GMT+03:00 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:

>
> I'm going to go learn Spanish (ideally Mexican, but whatever).  Any
> suggestions?  I'm probably going to use memrise for the vocab
> memorization part, so I'm particularly looking for suggestions on
> the grammar learning part.
>

I'd recommend Pimsleur which makes many people actually talk. It's an audio
course (I also tried other courses like Glossika and Michele Thomas, they
didn't work for me). You just listen to mp3 files and that's it. No
developers have managed to reproduce this powerful method because people
are lazy these days.

For Memrise I'd recommend any courses that teach actual phrases, not
isolated words. Same for Anki.

Because, you know, it's not Lojban. Verb forms change in Spanish (although
for Lojban recommendations are the same). Yo hablo, tu hablas ...

Also Duolingo.

But once again these Supermemo-based flashcard apps (Pimsleur is not one of
them) are ... idk they mostly don't teach real language, they teach grammar.

That's what you once complained about Lojban that it lacks idiomatics.
Idiomatics not in the sense of metaphors, but ready to use template phrases
(vlapoici'e as opposed to vlapoigunma).

For Lojban it's fine, it's mostly a formal grammar language. For Spanish
it's largely not.


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