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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cj2si452151igb.1.2015.10.11.14.34.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Oct 2015 14:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=eJ8q0hZ1 c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=tu8v4/BYpNWK47pT606GYA==:117 a=tu8v4/BYpNWK47pT606GYA==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=5lJygRwiOn0A:10 a=2cOiC_jeOQZyFjftWQIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 173.95.140.180 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [173.95.140.180] ([173.95.140.180:47509] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 03/79-03826-AC5DA165; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:34:02 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EB9805F for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:34:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Favorite natlang learning apps/programs/systems? Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4227697.ytXGc6TOXa@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-65-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20151011174229.GJ13991@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20151011174229.GJ13991@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mailfrom=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Sunday, October 11, 2015 10:42:29 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I'm going to go learn Spanish (ideally Mexican, but whatever). Any > suggestions? I'm probably going to use memrise for the vocab > memorization part, so I'm particularly looking for suggestions on > the grammar learning part. I don't know about programs for learning languages. My favorite method is to get a book in the language I'm learning, and the same book in a language I already know, and read them together. Of course, this is in addition to talking with people who speak the language. What languages do you already know? Knowing another Romance language will help immensely; knowing another Indo-European language also helps, as the six person-number forms of verbs are similar among most of them. Spanish verb tenses are similar to English ones. There's an extra distinction in the past tenses, and the present participle comes in adverbial and adjectival forms, but progressives, past subjunctives, and conditionals are formed similarly, and even "I'm going to " translates literally into Spanish. 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