Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 16:19:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Rui Liu <edenish.fallen@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: Can't understand the humour within CLL Chapter 16's  picture
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Thanks, guskant.

It's nice to know there're other people doing CLL translations as well ~

On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 12:00:27 AM UTC, guskant wrote:
>
>
>
> Le lundi 23 novembre 2015 18:48:32 UTC, Rui Liu a =C3=A9crit :
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> As a non-native English speaker, I can't get the humour in the picture o=
f=20
>> Chapter 16 of CLL, as well as its caption ... Why there're dogs? Why=20
>> mention 'example'?  And how is this related to the title of this chapter=
?
>>
>> Thanks~
>>
>
> I'm not a native English speaker, but I would like to try to help you.
>
> Section 7 of Chapter 16 includes some example sentences of "three dogs=20
> bite two men." The people in the picture ask John (Cowan, the author) to=
=20
> use other example (rather than dogs biting them) because they don't want =
to=20
> be bitten.
>
> For your info that may help you in translating the Complete Lojban=20
> Language (CLL) into Chinese:
>
> 1. the whole content of CLL including Chapter 16 should be modified in th=
e=20
> future version in order to conform the renewed official theory on=20
> quantifier called {xorlo}:
> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/How_to_use_xorlo
> I wrote a commentary on xorlo in a more understandable form:
>
> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/gadri:_an_unofficial_commentary_from_a_logica=
l_point_of_view
>
> 2. I participated the translation of CLL into Japanese:
> http://ponjbogri.github.io/cll-ja/
> My translation is only the chapters 3,6,9,12,15,18,21 of them, but I adde=
d=20
> many "notes by the translator" to my translation. Some of the notes,=20
> especially on the chapters 15 and 18 may help you much. If you don't=20
> understand my Japanese text, or machine translation from the Japanese tex=
t,=20
> don't hesitate to ask me in Chinese. My spoken Chinese is not very fluent=
,=20
> but I can read and write in Chinese without any problem.
>
> mu'o mi'e la guskant
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, guskant.<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s nice to know =
there&#39;re other people doing CLL translations as well ~<br><br>On Tuesda=
y, November 24, 2015 at 12:00:27 AM UTC, guskant wrote:<blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>Le lundi 23 novembre 2015=
 18:48:32 UTC, Rui Liu a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi everyone,<div><br></div><div>As a non-native Eng=
lish speaker, I can&#39;t get the humour in the picture of Chapter 16 of CL=
L, as well as its caption ... Why there&#39;re dogs? Why mention &#39;examp=
le&#39;? =C2=A0And how is this related to the title of this chapter?</div><=
div><br></div><div>Thanks~</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I=
9;m not a native English speaker, but I would like to try to help you.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Section 7 of Chapter 16 includes some example sentence=
s of &quot;three dogs bite two men.&quot; The people in the picture ask=C2=
=A0John (Cowan, the author) to use=C2=A0other example (rather than dogs bit=
ing them) because they don&#39;t want to be bitten.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>For your info that may help you in translating the Complete Lojban Langua=
ge (CLL) into Chinese:</div><div><br></div><div>1. the whole content of CLL=
 including Chapter 16 should be modified in the future version in order to =
conform the renewed official theory on quantifier called {xorlo}:</div><div=
><a href=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/How_to_use_xorlo" target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/ur=
l?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpapri%2FHow_to_use_xorlo\46sa\75D\46snt=
z\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNG4jvlr1DZYFIcN0UyJ53PkS8NtCA&#39;;return true;" onclic=
k=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojba=
n.org%2Fpapri%2FHow_to_use_xorlo\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNG4jvlr1=
DZYFIcN0UyJ53PkS8NtCA&#39;;return true;">https://mw.lojban.org/papri/<wbr>H=
ow_to_use_xorlo</a></div><div>I wrote a commentary on xorlo in a more under=
standable form:</div><div><a href=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/gadri:_an_=
unofficial_commentary_from_a_logical_point_of_view" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\=
75https%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpapri%2Fgadri%3A_an_unofficial_commentary_f=
rom_a_logical_point_of_view\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGkerpQxMktnQ=
j9gjhusec-rmpqcw&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www=
.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpapri%2Fgadri%3A_an_unoff=
icial_commentary_from_a_logical_point_of_view\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75=
AFQjCNGkerpQxMktnQj9gjhusec-rmpqcw&#39;;return true;">https://mw.lojban.org=
/papri/<wbr>gadri:_an_unofficial_<wbr>commentary_from_a_logical_<wbr>point_=
of_view</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>2. I participated the translation =
of CLL into Japanese:</div><div><a href=3D"http://ponjbogri.github.io/cll-j=
a/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;http=
://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fponjbogri.github.io%2Fcll-ja%2F\46sa=
\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNH29YRndxTWhguOdstRUJ0x1E5WoQ&#39;;return tru=
e;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2F=
ponjbogri.github.io%2Fcll-ja%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNH29YRndx=
TWhguOdstRUJ0x1E5WoQ&#39;;return true;">http://ponjbogri.github.io/<wbr>cll=
-ja/</a><br></div><div>My translation is only the chapters 3,6,9,12,15,18,2=
1 of them, but I added many &quot;notes by the translator&quot; to my trans=
lation. Some of the notes, especially on the chapters 15 and 18 may help yo=
u much. If you don&#39;t understand my Japanese text, or machine translatio=
n from the Japanese text, don&#39;t hesitate to ask me in Chinese. My spoke=
n Chinese is not very fluent, but I can read and write in Chinese without a=
ny problem.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la guskant</div><div=
><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div>

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