Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.217 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.241.217;
Subject: Re: [lojban] Question about tanru and lujvo invention
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
References: <57fc2430-e84d-4efd-8eb5-2a5fde8fbf38@googlegroups.com>
 <CAO7bV+hm2iTbD7tinwWUenu=3nSjAt8YRnkmSPC+Gm=8C-uesA@mail.gmail.com>
 <585c322e-bfd9-4855-94fb-7ba0816c0250@googlegroups.com>
 <CAO7bV+h2zSXOgkKJ6i0FTjqdGO8-szD+x8MK4fqb43EiQRAEFA@mail.gmail.com>
 <qxTc1r00t56Cr6M01xTe1R>
From: "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" <lojbab@lojban.org>
Organization: The Logical Language Group, Inc.
Message-ID: <56670693.3060009@lojban.org>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 11:34:27 -0500
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/38.4.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <qxTc1r00t56Cr6M01xTe1R>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
X-Spam_score: -1.9
X-Spam_score_int: -18
X-Spam_bar: -

On 12/8/2015 4:27 AM, Rui Liu wrote:
> Sorry, by cultural accumulation I mean like every major culture would
> have poem and prose existing through the history, within which a lot of
> idioms and phrases were created. And that becomes part of the language
> as well (the most interesting part I think). I didn't expect lojban
> would reach the same level since it has only a history of less than a
> hundred years. But I wonder if it's flexible enough to reach it.

I think that flexibility has already been demonstrated.  But it likely 
is true that very few phrases have been used enough by different people 
to be called "idioms".

On the other hand, any lujvo that has a particular meaning that is not 
completely predictable from its components could be called idiomatic.  I 
would claim that "malglico" and its near relatives are such idioms, 
which have acquired some cultural load above and beyond its most basic 
interpretation.

There exists poem and prose in Lojban, both translated works and 
original ones.  Prose translations include Alice in Wonderland and 
recently, The Wizard of Oz, but there were translations as far back as 
1990, including Saki's short story "The Open Window", and my own 
translation of Suzanne Vega's song "Language".   Robin Powell has long 
been writing a novel in Lojban, and within the last year or two there 
has been original poetry and song in Lojban, most notably the several 
songs written and published by djemynai.

Except
> for lujvo, is there other ways to create (long) phrases in lojban?

Many. lujvo are merely single words that represent a phrase.  The 
grammar has a variety of phrase structures that can be used (and used 
recursively) to make phrases of arbitrary length.  Probably the most 
used of these are relative phrases/clauses and abstractions.

lojbab


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.