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2015-12-25 15:37 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <
> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> 3. can help you study lojban morphology from PEG
>> <http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/morfologi.js.peg>, which is
>> easier to grasp when everything else is removed.
>>
>
> bgv =3D [bgv] hgu
>
> jz =3D [jz] hgu
>
> cs =3D [cs] hgv !cs !x
>
> oops, the website wasn't updated. I will fix later. Or you can just clear
appcache for it.
" !x" isn't necessary here at all. i removed it:
http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/morfologi.js.peg


>
> pf =3D [pf] hgv
>
>
> Unfortunately, you can't do this. The !x after cs is wrong because it wil=
l
> reject for example "vasxu". But more importantly no consonant follows the
> same rules of any other consonant. You removed the restriction against
> double consonants, so "babba" will parse as a gismu.
>
> The only two letters that share identical rules are e and o.
>

Indeed, thanks for noticing. I need to explain this parser better because
it changes something in ideology.

Namely, it preprocesses input using a bunch or regexes.
So {zk} turns into {zyk}, {bb} into {byb} etc.
The idea is that the parser expects correct language in its input and
determine word classes, but not show mistakes in the input.


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> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-12-25 15:37 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);bord=
er-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Fri, Dec 25, =
2015 at 9:01 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gle=
ki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br></span><span class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-colo=
r:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div><br></div><div>3. can help you study <a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.or=
g/extensions/ilmentufa/morfologi.js.peg" target=3D"_blank">lojban morpholog=
y from PEG</a>, which is easier to grasp when everything else is removed.<b=
r></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><pre style=3D"color:r=
gb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">bgv =3D [bgv] hgu

jz =3D [jz] hgu

cs =3D [cs] hgv !cs !x</pre></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>oops,=
 the website wasn&#39;t updated. I will fix later. Or you can just clear ap=
pcache for it.</div><div>&quot; !x&quot; isn&#39;t necessary here at all. i=
 removed it:<br><a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/morfol=
ogi.js.peg">http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/morfologi.js.peg</a><=
br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:r=
gb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><pre style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0);word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">
pf =3D [pf] hgv</pre></div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, you can&#39;t=
 do this. The !x after cs is wrong because it will reject for example &quot=
;vasxu&quot;. But more importantly no consonant follows the same rules of a=
ny other consonant. You removed the restriction against double consonants, =
so &quot;babba&quot; will parse as a gismu.</div><div><br></div><div>The on=
ly two letters that share identical rules are e and o.</div></div></div></d=
iv></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed, thanks for noticing. I need to =
explain this parser better because it changes something in ideology.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Namely, it preprocesses input using a bunch or regexes.<=
/div><div>So {zk} turns into {zyk}, {bb} into {byb} etc.</div><div>The idea=
 is that the parser expects correct language in its input and determine wor=
d classes, but not show mistakes in the input.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-styl=
e:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D""><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;=
e xorxes</div><div><br></div></span></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"h5">

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