Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:16:20 -0800 (PST)
From: la xirsoi <chevalieradam2@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: about the default language on mw.lojban.org
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I would argue that, unless I'm misunderstanding it's purpose, mw.lojban.org 
should have had English as it's default language all along.
This is a wiki *about* lojban. If you want a wiki *in* lojban, start 
translating wikipedia.

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 9:02:32 AM UTC-6, la gleki wrote:
>
> Earlier I changed the default language on mw.lojban.org to English because
> 1. Google didn't always correctly displayed English versions of the wiki. 
> Falling back to English is nicer for it (who are we to challenge its 
> algorithms)
> 2. Most pages are in English so using Translate Extensions to translate 
> pages via it would become easier.
>
> Finally if you think that it's not good to have the default language other 
> than Lojban (and I myself think it's not good) we have another wiki that is 
> much much better for enriching the corpus of texts.
>
> It's jbo.wikipedia.org I suggest using it for purely Lojban articles.
>
> As for mw.lojban.org it's mostly not even worth translating articles on 
> it, most of them are either of historical interest or for speakers of 
> English.
>
> Finally I can see that some search engines are able to select mediawiki's 
> pages in other languages. But Google doesn't seem to catch on. If anyone 
> has any ideas feel free to share them.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I would argue that, unless I&#39;m misunderstanding it&#39=
;s purpose, mw.lojban.org should have had English as it&#39;s default langu=
age all along.<div>This is a wiki *about* lojban. If you want a wiki *in* l=
ojban, start translating wikipedia.<br><br>On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at =
9:02:32 AM UTC-6, la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex=
;"><div dir=3D"ltr">Earlier I changed the default language on <a href=3D"ht=
tp://mw.lojban.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.=
href=3D&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org\46sa\7=
5D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGxTKf7V-djkGwt29ODky-rqD6o_Q&#39;;return true;=
" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fmw=
.lojban.org\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGxTKf7V-djkGwt29ODky-rqD6o_Q=
&#39;;return true;">mw.lojban.org</a> to English because<div>1. Google didn=
&#39;t always correctly displayed English versions of the wiki. Falling bac=
k to English is nicer for it (who are we to challenge its algorithms)</div>=
<div>2. Most pages are in English so using Translate Extensions to translat=
e pages via it would become easier.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally if you=
 think that it&#39;s not good to have the default language other than Lojba=
n (and I myself think it&#39;s not good) we have another wiki that is much =
much better for enriching the corpus of texts.</div><div><br></div><div>It&=
#39;s <a href=3D"http://jbo.wikipedia.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollo=
w" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F=
%2Fjbo.wikipedia.org\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNEyRfWPYVImtCCGtTwtM=
Y5qLo785w&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;http://www.google.=
com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fjbo.wikipedia.org\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQ=
jCNEyRfWPYVImtCCGtTwtMY5qLo785w&#39;;return true;">jbo.wikipedia.org</a> I =
suggest using it for purely Lojban articles.</div><div><br></div><div>As fo=
r <a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmou=
sedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fmw.lo=
jban.org\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGxTKf7V-djkGwt29ODky-rqD6o_Q=
9;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\75=
http%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGxTKf7V-djkGw=
t29ODky-rqD6o_Q&#39;;return true;">mw.lojban.org</a> it&#39;s mostly not ev=
en worth translating articles on it, most of them are either of historical =
interest or for speakers of English.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally I can=
 see that some search engines are able to select mediawiki&#39;s pages in o=
ther languages. But Google doesn&#39;t seem to catch on. If anyone has any =
ideas feel free to share them.</div></div>
</blockquote></div></div>

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