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Subject: [lojban] Lojban Wikipedia. New language, new universes
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Currently, jbo.wikipedia.org is mostly inactive and not for no reason.

Some express an idea that some machine translation should be eventually
developed to translate English Wikipedia into Lojban.

This can't be immediately relevant to jbo.wikipedia.org since
implementation of such tool will lead to constant overwriting of articles
in the target translation with newer revisions following edits in the
source English wikipedia.
In such conditions the manual editing of Lojban wikipedia would be
impossible since bots would then first have to learn how to merge manual
and translated revisions.

Automatic translation would be fine in a separate location.

Instead I think that jbo.wikipedia.org should concentrate on how the world
is viewed from the viewpoint of Lojban itself expressing Lojban concepts,
not relexed English concepts.

I've been talking a lot that la jbovlaste due to its current technical
deficiencies has been turning Lojban into a relexed English. Even
tatoeba.org although many times better is still about translation, which de
facto in most cases is again from English.

jbo.wikipedia.org can serve the purpose of a fully Lojbanic dictionary from
which translations of its articles (that is *from* Lojban) would increase
contributions of Lojban to the world heritage.

A trivial example is
vi'a pixra - picture
vi'u pixra - statue
vi'e pixra - drama
where the last world is poorly scaled into English. However, the complete
set of these te gerna (text constructs) shows possible inner kinship of
these concepts through Lojban.

When the goals of jbo.wikipedia.org are clearly stated then the process of
its active development can start.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Currently, <a href=3D"http://jbo.wikipedia.org">jbo.w=
ikipedia.org</a> is mostly inactive and not for no reason.<br></div><div><b=
r></div>Some express an idea that some machine translation should be eventu=
ally developed to translate English Wikipedia into Lojban.<div><br></div><d=
iv>This can&#39;t be immediately relevant to <a href=3D"http://jbo.wikipedi=
a.org">jbo.wikipedia.org</a> since implementation of such tool will lead to=
 constant overwriting of articles in the target translation with newer revi=
sions following edits in the source English wikipedia.</div><div>In such co=
nditions the manual editing of Lojban wikipedia would be impossible since b=
ots would then first have to learn how to merge manual and translated revis=
ions.</div><div><br></div><div>Automatic translation would be fine in a sep=
arate location.</div><div><br></div><div>Instead I think that <a href=3D"ht=
tp://jbo.wikipedia.org">jbo.wikipedia.org</a> should concentrate on how the=
 world is viewed from the viewpoint of Lojban itself expressing Lojban conc=
epts, not relexed English concepts.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve b=
een talking a lot that la jbovlaste due to its current technical deficienci=
es has been turning Lojban into a relexed English. Even <a href=3D"http://t=
atoeba.org">tatoeba.org</a> although many times better is still about trans=
lation, which de facto in most cases is again from English.</div><div><br><=
/div><div><a href=3D"http://jbo.wikipedia.org">jbo.wikipedia.org</a> can se=
rve the purpose of a fully Lojbanic dictionary from which translations of i=
ts articles (that is *from* Lojban) would increase contributions of Lojban =
to the world heritage.</div><div><br></div><div>A trivial example is=C2=A0<=
/div><div>vi&#39;a pixra - picture</div><div>vi&#39;u pixra - statue<br></d=
iv><div>vi&#39;e pixra - drama<br></div><div>where the last world is poorly=
 scaled into English. However, the complete set of these te gerna (text con=
structs) shows possible inner kinship of these concepts through Lojban.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>When the goals of <a href=3D"http://jbo.wikipedia.org=
">jbo.wikipedia.org</a> are clearly stated then the process of its active d=
evelopment can start.<br></div></div>

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