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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:19:14 +0300
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2016-01-20 16:03 GMT+03:00 selpahi <seladwa@gmx.de>:

> la .cemjig. cu skuna si cusku di'e
>
>> More broadly, I think updating the lojban dictionaries in general should
>> be considered an urgently important task.
>>
>
> I agree wholeheartedly, and really, many of us do. (It's quite obvious
> that the gismu definitions are inadequate if one takes a close look at
> them!)
>
> A while ago a bunch of people attempted to start an effort of reviewing
> and revising the gismu list; you can read about it here:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/h6yQDGV5lQw/Z4hZeG9rBUEJ


Just pay attention that this efffort was an attempt not to translate the
gismu into another English dialect but to redefine the place structures of
gismu as well, which not unreasonably found strong opposition.


>
> (If you read the whole thread you will also see some of the crazier
> counter-arguments to revising the gismu)
>
> The point is, the thing you observed with {cukta} is the same for almost
> any gismu. So there are two main problems: 1) Many gismu are
> under-formalized; 2) There are many gismu that violate common patterns.
>
> Many of us hope that work on the gismu list will pick up again at some
> point, but nobody knows when that will be. At least now, compared to two
> years ago, BPFK has the official backing of LLG to undertake such a thing,
> so we really only need to ... just do it.
>
> mi'e la selpa'i
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2016-01-20 16:03 GMT+03:00 selpahi <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span>:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">la .cemjig. cu skuna si cusku di&#39;e<span cla=
ss=3D""><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
More broadly, I think updating the lojban dictionaries in general should<br=
>
be considered an urgently important task.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I agree wholeheartedly, and really, many of us do. (It&#39;s quite obvious =
that the gismu definitions are inadequate if one takes a close look at them=
!)<br>
<br>
A while ago a bunch of people attempted to start an effort of reviewing and=
 revising the gismu list; you can read about it here:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/h6yQDGV5lQw/Z4hZeG9rBUEJ"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojba=
n/h6yQDGV5lQw/Z4hZeG9rBUEJ</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Just pay att=
ention that this efffort was an attempt not to translate the gismu into ano=
ther English dialect but to redefine the place structures of gismu as well,=
 which not unreasonably found strong opposition.</div><div><br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
(If you read the whole thread you will also see some of the crazier counter=
-arguments to revising the gismu)<br>
<br>
The point is, the thing you observed with {cukta} is the same for almost an=
y gismu. So there are two main problems: 1) Many gismu are under-formalized=
; 2) There are many gismu that violate common patterns.<br>
<br>
Many of us hope that work on the gismu list will pick up again at some poin=
t, but nobody knows when that will be. At least now, compared to two years =
ago, BPFK has the official backing of LLG to undertake such a thing, so we =
really only need to ... just do it.<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
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