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[157.56.111.57]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u74si858437ywf.0.2016.01.22.17.16.23 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au designates 157.56.111.57 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.111.57; Received: from BY1PR01MB1386.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.162.211.148) by BY1PR01MB1388.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.162.211.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.390.13; Sat, 23 Jan 2016 01:16:22 +0000 Received: from BY1PR01MB1386.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.162.211.148]) by BY1PR01MB1386.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.162.211.148]) with mapi id 15.01.0365.024; Sat, 23 Jan 2016 01:16:22 +0000 From: Timothy Lawrence To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [lojban] {cukta} as a case study for why the dictionary needs clearer, more detailed entries Thread-Topic: [lojban] {cukta} as a case study for why the dictionary needs clearer, more detailed entries Thread-Index: AQHRU0bKvZYi0uujUUir+pxQktA3kJ8EX3+AgABuXYCAAOaEAIABl0CugACUgYCAAGtOPQ== Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 01:16:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <6f919681-f16c-4888-aa5a-30518a717c12@googlegroups.com> <569F85BF.8030909@gmx.de> <8805e2d3-4389-460c-9e5b-b0d5194da1c2@googlegroups.com> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-AU, en-US Content-Language: en-AU X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [182.239.179.21] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;BY1PR01MB1388;5:G6/ROS9fY2mLcb64Y3QcpNb0MIIQvb7VnZVcYIqq8niX0kBQ8rh57xYxD0C47hP/bpESnXxQKiLXnk0oYkI+Xr7oyk3x/J1Ee2vIaiLYjfX37cTPYXAwJ9iFN2ji53g1q2UijmGMjs9X+ZADtQmqmQ==;24:xzQp+3OOQ+Zh4vwRIbK+s70hTrGn15li2TWNFQPXaVIPLdzfJ7FycEas0gP5TduuTE8rnSPIYLXytJlmFfw0rEhRpaLNQlbdxfGP25nkC3U= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BY1PR01MB1388; x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: d1ceaae4-f72b-4990-3354-08d32392ce78 x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(18548865197244)(54900358751275); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(123027)(2401047)(5005006)(520078)(8121501046)(10201501046)(3002001);SRVR:BY1PR01MB1388;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BY1PR01MB1388; x-forefront-prvs: 0830866D19 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(377454003)(24454002)(199003)(189002)(10400500002)(97736004)(77096005)(122556002)(2900100001)(2501003)(5004730100002)(81156007)(2906002)(5001960100002)(110136002)(40100003)(88552002)(86362001)(93886004)(1730700002)(92566002)(107886002)(450100001)(101416001)(102836003)(76176999)(5003600100002)(2351001)(74316001)(50986999)(5002640100001)(5008740100001)(33656002)(2950100001)(3846002)(105586002)(19580395003)(106356001)(189998001)(106116001)(66066001)(6116002)(586003)(1096002)(19580405001)(87936001)(1220700001)(74482002)(11100500001)(54356999);DIR:OUT;SFP:1101;SCL:1;SRVR:BY1PR01MB1388;H:BY1PR01MB1386.prod.exchangelabs.com;FPR:;SPF:None;PTR:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: connect.qut.edu.au does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: connect.qut.edu.au X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Jan 2016 01:16:22.0396 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: dc0b52a3-68c5-44f7-881d-9383d8850b96 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY1PR01MB1388 X-Original-Sender: timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au designates 157.56.111.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=qut.edu.au Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Saturday, 23 January 2016 4:33 AM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Timothy Lawrence > wrote: > > > > a process be established to revise a few words every week to 100% completion > > of the template > > [...] think of the plain numbers: A few words a week is 150ish a year, or > a DECADE LONG PROJECT to clarify the meanings of the original gismu. I agree and I should clarify that I mean: 4. a process be established to revise a few words (5+) every week to 100% completion of the template, with the view of geometrically progressing to more words per week as the project gains traction and helpers. This would ensure the process is working smoothly before allowing it to scale up. We could use it as a community-building exercise. Another idea is to focus on making the Lojban definitions "perfect" and then using machine translation to generate the other-language definitions (which could then be reviewed if desired). > > My presumption was that the dictionary was intended to be prescriptive, not > > descriptive as per other dictionaries, but I may be wrong. I'm just trying > > to get involved in Lojban. > > They absolutely were intended to be prescriptive. But the prescription > has in many cases not been followed! So where is your God now. :/ If it's prescriptive then it doesn't matter if it's been followed or not, as prescriptivism allows one to say incorrect usage is indeed incorrect, whereas descriptive dictionaries don't offer that chance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.