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[2a00:1450:4010:c04::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qx5si72576lbb.1.2016.01.26.10.25.41 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ciuak.prog@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::231; Received: by mail-lb0-x231.google.com with SMTP id bc4so96902362lbc.2 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:25:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.182.42 with SMTP id eb10mr9160287lbc.132.1453832741103; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.159.36 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:25:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:25:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?B?W2xvamJhbl0gwqtwbyd1wrsgJiBtYWxnbGljbw==?= From: Bruno Panasiewicz To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c36e3218bd44052a40d0d1 X-Original-Sender: ciuak.prog@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ciuak.prog@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ciuak.prog@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c36e3218bd44052a40d0d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable co=E1=BB=8B ro do I've noticed that ga'a mi many uses of =C2=ABpo'u=C2=BB are very malglico-i= sh; sa'e mu'a, =C2=ABla teris. po'u lo tirxu cu vitke zi'o le barda tcadu=C2=BB seem= s to have words are calqued, one by one, i.e. > *=E2=80=8B=C2=AB*la teris.=C2=BB =E2=80=93 *Terry* > =C2=AB=E2=80=8Bpo'u=C2=BB =E2=80=93 *who is* > > =E2=80=8B('well, that probably is restrictive!' =E2=80=93 see *3*)=E2=80= =8B > =E2=80=8B=C2=ABlo tirxu=C2=BB =E2=80=93 *a tiger*=E2=80=8B (and it would be= worse, pe'i, if it were =C2=ABle=C2=BB) > =E2=80=8BSame thing =E2=80=8Bin the article of the .=C5=ADitki, *Profanity*= *=C2=B01* (that's where I actually noticed it all): > You may also make use of > =E2=80=8B=C2=AB=E2=80=8B > do po'u > =E2=80=8B=C2=BB=E2=80=8B > to start a phrase meaning *You bastard, bitch*, etc. The particle > =E2=80=8B=C2=AB=E2=80=8B > po'u > =E2=80=8B=C2=BB=E2=80=8B > roughly translates to > =E2=80=8B *=E2=80=8B* > *the*, as in > *=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8BSonic the Hedgehog*. pe'i, there =E2=80=8Bare three issues in here: *1*. Overusing =C2=ABdu=C2=BB (and =C2=ABpo=E1=BB=8B du=C2=BB here), where = it's not needed, just like in English with *be*; *2*. Using =C2=ABpo'u=C2=BB, where it's totally superfluous and even longer= (!) =E2=80=93 we think of Terry, some tiger, and assert they're the same: that doesn't really make sense!; *3*. Using a restrictive relative/identity clause. =E2=80=8BAs for *3*, if we say =C2=ABla teris.=C2=BB, then we know, which T= erry it is by referring by his name, because we're telling the story!=E2=80=93 so it dese= rves the use of =C2=ABno=E1=BB=8B=C2=BB. Similarly, =C2=ABdo no=E1=BB=8B=C2=BB would= fit in here, and if I ever start saying =C2=ABle broda=C2=BB (and not =C2=ABlo broda=C2=BB, because then I'd= use =C2=ABpo=E1=BB=8B=C2=BB to clarify), I'd continue with =C2=ABno=E1=BB=8B=C2=BB as well. ta'o, the non-CLL version of that story gets it right, saying =C2=ABla .ter= is. no=E1=BB=8B tigra=C2=BB. What do you think? le'o cu'i mi'e la .uakci mu'o *=C2=B01* https://mw.lojban.org/papri/profanity --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c36e3218bd44052a40d0d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
co=E1=BB= =8B ro do
I've noticed that ga'= a mi many uses of =C2=ABpo'u=C2=BB are very malglico-ish;=C2=A0sa'e= mu'a, =C2=ABla teris. po'u lo tirxu cu vitke zi'o le barda tca= du=C2=BB seems to have words are calqued, one by one, i.e.
=E2=80=8B=C2=ABla teris= .=C2=BB =E2=80=93 Terry
=C2=A0
=C2=AB=E2=80=8Bpo'u=C2=BB =E2=80=93= who is
=C2=A0
=E2=80=8B(= 'well, that probably is restrictive!' =E2=80=93 see 3)=E2=80= =8B
=E2=80=8B=C2=ABlo tirxu=C2=BB =E2=80=93 a tiger=E2=80=8B (and i= t would be worse, pe'i, if it were =C2=ABle=C2=BB)
=E2=80=8BSame thing =E2=80=8Bin t= he article of the .=C5=ADitki, Profanity=C2=A0=C2=B01=C2=A0(t= hat's where I actually noticed it all):
You may also make use of
=E2=80=8B=C2=AB=E2=80=8B
do po'u
=E2=80=8B=C2=BB=E2=80=8B
to start a phra= se meaning You bastard, bitch, etc. The particle
=E2=80=8B=C2=AB=E2=80=8B
po'u
=E2=80=8B=C2=BB=E2=80=8B
roughly translates to<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'times new roman',= serif;font-size:small;display:inline">=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8Bth= e, as in
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8BSonic the Hedgehog.
pe'i, there =E2=80=8Bare three issues in here:
1. Overusing =C2=ABdu= =C2=BB (and =C2=ABpo=E1=BB=8B du=C2=BB here), where it's not needed, ju= st like in English with be;
2. Using =C2=ABpo'u=C2=BB, where it's totally= superfluous and even longer (!) =E2=80=93 we think of Terry, some tiger, a= nd assert they're the same: that doesn't really make sense!;
<= /div>
3. Using a restrict= ive relative/identity clause.
=E2= =80=8BAs for 3, if we say =C2=ABla teris.=C2=BB, then we know, which= Terry it is by referring by his name, because we're telling the story!= =E2=80=93 so it deserves the use of =C2=ABno=E1=BB=8B=C2=BB. Similarly, =C2= =ABdo no=E1=BB=8B=C2=BB would fit in here, and if I ever start saying =C2= =ABle broda=C2=BB (and not =C2=ABlo broda=C2=BB, because then I'd use = =C2=ABpo=E1=BB=8B=C2=BB to clarify), I'd continue with =C2=ABno=E1=BB= =8B=C2=BB as well.
ta'o, the non-CLL versi= on of that story gets it right, saying =C2=ABla .teris. no=E1=BB=8B tigra= =C2=BB.
What do you think?
le'o cu'i
mi'e la .uakci mu'o

=C2=B01= =C2=A0https://mw.lojban.o= rg/papri/profanity

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