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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5si345036wmm.2.2016.02.01.07.03.38 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Feb 2016 07:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::235; Received: by mail-wm0-x235.google.com with SMTP id 128so75289472wmz.1 for ; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 07:03:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.28.103.5 with SMTP id b5mr2810283wmc.5.1454339018184; Mon, 01 Feb 2016 07:03:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.92.136 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 07:02:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56AF570C.1050409@gmail.com> References: <82905720-4d75-4196-9886-cc8c034d9f83@googlegroups.com> <6e9ca8d6-4dcc-4103-a990-4df0ffb16899@googlegroups.com> <56AF570C.1050409@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 18:02:58 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_The_experimental_version_of_Camxes=2DJS_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=94_=5Bfork_from_the_thread_=22Terminator_for_la=22=5D?= To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b300e8fde65052ab6b083 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --001a114b300e8fde65052ab6b083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suggest making a gh-pages branch of ilmentufa repo to make a stable accessible version of this app. Relying on lojban.org isn't desirable in general. Or maybe https://github.com/lojban/ilmentufa/ repo instead to get "lojban" substring in the url. 2016-02-01 16:01 GMT+03:00 Ilmen : > The experimental Camxes-JS parser > I initiated > was by no mean intended to represent the official grammar of Lojban or an= y > upgrade thereof; the experimental Camxes is there for testing > implementations of various grammar change proposals, in order to check > whether they are compatible with PEG or conflict with some other parts of > the grammar, a little like a sandbox grammar; some of these changes might > be approved to be part of official Lojban in the future, and others are > either unlikely to be approved or are highly controversial. > > The experimental Camxes-JS was thus by no mean intended to be able to > parse the story called {la .teris.}. :-) > > The official version of Camxes-JS > should comply > with whatever decisions the BPFK makes with regard to the grammar, and be > updated accordingly. If you want to parse a text using the official > grammar, please use the official version of Camxes-JS, and not the > experimental version thereof. > > As for other common dialects, they'd need their own dedicated parser, and > I approve of Guskant's initiative to make Zantufa parsers for several of > these dialects (for example the one used in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, > which uses the Brivla-Cmevla Merger). > > mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o > > > On 01/02/2016 12:21, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > By camxes experimental it's usually meant > https://github.com/Ilmen-vodhr/ilmentufa/ > > not any other repos. > > So you'd rather express yourself clearly what you mean by "camxes". > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: guskant > Date: 2016-02-01 13:27 GMT+03:00 > Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Terminator for la > To: Lojban Beginners > > > > > Le lundi 1 f=C3=A9vrier 2016 06:34:25 UTC, la gleki a =C3=A9crit : >> >> >> 2016-01-30 17:42 GMT+03:00 guskant : >> >>> I recommend using camxes for teaching beginners, not the >>> canxes-experimental that was deteriorated by la gleki. >> >> >> I'm not aware it was deteriorated by me. Can you provide any explanation= ? >> >> > > 1. Your camxes-experimental parser does not parse even {la teris} written > in basic lojban suitable for beginners, either the old version or the new > one. > > https://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_.teris._po'u_lo_tirxu_cu_vitke_zi'o_le_bar= da_tcadu > > https://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_.teris._ku_noi_tigra_cu_stuvi'e_lo_barda_t= cadu > > 2. You said you would not select backward incompatible changes, but your > camxes-experimental parser is incompatible with the official grammar for > cmevla as selbrisle. > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/oriGf4t1_Xc/eSljctvEDAAJ > > 3. You destroyed all the ilmentufa parsers in the first two weeks of this > year by modifying preproc.js. > > https://github.com/lagleki/glekitufa/commit/9dbe1756b016ea567d23e2f0b1201= c32bf817a32#commitcomment-15414073 > > > Such a problem may occur again anytime in the future as long as you > continue executing your dictatorship on the lojban.org server. > > 4. The solutions for the problem 1 and the problem 2 are incompatible, so > you have no way to solve all the problems. > > Don't disturb anymore this thread for the defects of your > camxes-experimental parser. If you have any objection, continue it on the > general lojban list, not on the beginner's list. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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I suggest making a gh-pages branch of ilmentufa repo to ma= ke a stable accessible version of this app.
Relying on lojban.org isn't desirable in general.

=
Or maybe=C2=A0h= ttps://github.com/lojban/ilmentufa/ repo instead to get "lojban&qu= ot; substring in the url.

2016-02-01 16:01 GMT+03:00 Ilmen <= ilmen.pokebip@= gmail.com>:
=20 =20 =20
The experimental Camxes-JS parser I initiated was by no mean intended to represent the official grammar of Lojban or any upgrade thereof; the experimental Camxes is there for testing implementations of various grammar change proposals, in order to check whether they are compatible with PEG or conflict with some other parts of the grammar, a little like a sandbox grammar; some of these changes might be approved to be part of official Lojban in the future, and others are either unlikely to be approved or are highly controversial.

The experimental Camxes-JS was thus by no mean intended to be able to parse the story called {la .teris.}. :-)

The official version of Camxes-JS should comply with whatever decisions the BPFK makes with regard to the grammar, and be updated accordingly. If you want to parse a text using the official grammar, please use the official version of Camxes-JS, and not the experimental version thereof.

As for other common dialects, they'd need their own dedicated parser, and I approve of Guskant's initiative to make Zantufa parsers for several of these dialects (for example the one used in The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, which uses the Brivla-Cmevla Merger).

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


On 01/02/2016 12:21, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
By camxes experimental it's usually meant

not any other repos.

So you'd rather=C2=A0express yourself clearly what you mea= n by "camxes".


---------- Forwarded message ----------<= br> From: guskant <gusni.kantu= @gmail.com>
Date: 2016-02-01 13:27 GMT+03:00
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Terminator for la
To: Lojban Beginners <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>



Le lundi 1 f=C3=A9vrier 2016 06:34:25 UTC, la gleki a =C3=A9cri= t=C2=A0:

2016-01-30 17:42 GMT+03:00 guskant <gus= ni...@gmail.com>:
I recommend using camxes for teaching beginners, not the canxes-experimental that was deteriorated by la gleki.

I'm not aware it was deteriorated by me. Can you provide any explanation?
1. Your camxes-experimental parser does not parse even {la teris} written in basic lojban suitable for beginners, either the old version or the new one.

2. You said you would not select backward incompatible changes, but your camxes-experimental parser is incompatible with the official grammar for cmevla as selbrisle.

3. You destroyed all the ilmentufa parsers in the first two weeks of this year by modifying preproc.js.


Such a problem may occur again anytime in the future as long as you continue executing your dictatorship on the lojban.org server.

4. The solutions for the problem 1 and the problem 2 are incompatible, so you have no way to solve all the problems.=C2=A0

Don't disturb anymore this thread for the defects of your camxes-experimental parser. If you have any objection, continue it on the general lojban list, not on the beginner's list.

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