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Le lundi 1 f=C3=A9vrier 2016 13:01:20 UTC, Ilmen a =C3=A9crit :
>
> The experimental Camxes-JS parser=20
> <http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/camxes-exp.html> I initiated=
=20
> was by no mean intended to represent the official grammar of Lojban or an=
y=20
> upgrade thereof; the experimental Camxes is there for testing=20
> implementations of various grammar change proposals, in order to check=20
> whether they are compatible with PEG or conflict with some other parts of=
=20
> the grammar, a little like a sandbox grammar; some of these changes might=
=20
> be approved to be part of official Lojban in the future, and others are=
=20
> either unlikely to be approved or are highly controversial.
>
> The experimental Camxes-JS was thus by no mean intended to be able to=20
> parse the story called {la .teris.}. :-)
>
>
>
I appreciate your initiative of experimental camxes-js parser.
The problem is that Gleki the dictator have been maintained the parser on=
=20
the official lojban.org server so that it fit to his personal beginner's=20
course, asserting that the grammar of experimental camxes-js is of new=20
Lojban, as if it were de facto standard, or would be official soon. We can=
=20
no more see that egocentric version of his personal beginner's course,=20
because he has already concealed the evidence. The fact that Gleki's course=
=20
reduced its egocentrism is an improved point, though his dictatorship will=
=20
not stop as long as he continues administrating "vrici" server of=20
lojban.org. Actually the problem occurred as I wrote to Gleki:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/OZOPxvAhq3I/oSwk-L_BEwAJ

> 3. You destroyed all the ilmentufa parsers in the first two weeks of this
> year by modifying preproc.js.
>=20
https://github.com/lagleki/glekitufa/commit/9dbe1756b016ea567d23e2f0b1201c3=
2bf817a32#commitcomment-15414073
>

I meant here the parsers of lojban.org URL, not the sources on Ilmen's=20
repository.

If Gleki had maintained his experimental camxes-js parsers and other tools=
=20
on a server other than lojban.org, I would not at all make any complaint.=
=20
However, Gleki actually executes dictatorship on "vrici" server of=20
lojban.org, as well as on some social media using official-pretending=20
accounts.

I will prepare in near future a summary of those two points of the=20
dictatorship of Gleki, that are the "vrici" server and the social media=20
accounts, though I will do it on the private LLG list, not here, because I=
=20
think most readers of lojban list are not interested in his dictatorship.=
=20
Maybe I am the one and only victim of his dictatorship: I cannot join any=
=20
lojbanic session because of his expelling me, a zantufa speaker, from=20
Lojban community. I cannot even create the second period of {bripre jikca}=
=20
because of his expelling me. I am so much hurt by his dictatorship.=20

=20

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>Le lundi 1 f=C3=A9vrier 2016 13:01:20 UTC, Ilmen a=
 =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;marg=
in-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    <a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/camxes-exp.html" t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;http://ww=
w.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fextensions%2Filmentufa%2F=
camxes-exp.html\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNF8YZJDew5aOi9crNT1trheOe=
a1tw&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;http://www.google.com/u=
rl?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fextensions%2Filmentufa%2Fcamxes-exp.htm=
l\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNF8YZJDew5aOi9crNT1trheOea1tw&#39;;retu=
rn true;">The
      experimental Camxes-JS parser</a> I initiated was by no mean
    intended to represent the official grammar of Lojban or any upgrade
    thereof; the experimental Camxes is there for testing
    implementations of various grammar change proposals, in order to
    check whether they are compatible with PEG or conflict with some
    other parts of the grammar, a little like a sandbox grammar; some of
    these changes might be approved to be part of official Lojban in the
    future, and others are either unlikely to be approved or are highly
    controversial.<br>
    <br>
    The experimental Camxes-JS was thus by no mean intended to be able
    to parse the story called {la .teris.}. :-)<br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
br></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I apprec=
iate your initiative of experimental camxes-js parser.</div><div>The proble=
m is that Gleki the dictator have been maintained the parser on the officia=
l lojban.org server so that it fit to his personal beginner&#39;s course, a=
sserting that the grammar of experimental camxes-js is of new Lojban, as if=
 it were de facto standard, or would be official soon. We can no more see t=
hat egocentric version of his personal beginner&#39;s course, because he ha=
s already concealed the evidence. The fact that Gleki&#39;s course reduced =
its egocentrism is an improved point, though his dictatorship will not stop=
 as long as he continues administrating &quot;vrici&quot; server of lojban.=
org. Actually the problem occurred as I wrote to Gleki:</div><div><br></div=
><div>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/OZOPxvAhq3I/oSwk-L_B=
EwAJ</div><div><br></div><div>&gt; 3. You destroyed all the ilmentufa parse=
rs in the first two weeks of this</div><div>&gt; year by modifying preproc.=
js.</div><div>&gt; https://github.com/lagleki/glekitufa/commit/9dbe1756b016=
ea567d23e2f0b1201c32bf817a32#commitcomment-15414073</div><div>&gt;</div><di=
v><br></div><div>I meant here the parsers of lojban.org URL, not the source=
s on Ilmen&#39;s repository.</div><div><br></div><div>If Gleki had maintain=
ed his experimental camxes-js parsers and other tools on a server other tha=
n lojban.org, I would not at all make any complaint. However, Gleki actuall=
y executes dictatorship on &quot;vrici&quot; server of lojban.org, as well =
as on some social media using official-pretending accounts.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>I will prepare in near future a summary of those two points of th=
e dictatorship of Gleki, that are the &quot;vrici&quot; server and the soci=
al media accounts, though I will do it on the private LLG list, not here, b=
ecause I think most readers of lojban list are not interested in his dictat=
orship. Maybe I am the one and only victim of his dictatorship: I cannot jo=
in any lojbanic session because of his expelling me, a zantufa speaker, fro=
m Lojban community. I cannot even create the second period of {bripre jikca=
} because of his expelling me. I am so much hurt by his dictatorship.=C2=A0=
</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div></div>

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