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Because you have concealed the evidences for that on lojban.org, I use the= =20 wayback machine here: https://web.archive.org/web/20151031175123/https://mw.lojban.org/papri/La_B= angu https://web.archive.org/web/20150226233559/http://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_C= rash_Course_(a_draft) The first archive above shows that your personal beginner's course deals=20 with "modern dialects of Lojban".=20 The second one shows that the followers of your personal beginner's course= =20 should use the parser=20 http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/camxes-exp.html , that is=20 experimental camxes-js, for checking the grammar of their sentences. Besides, you made some modifications on the experimental camxes-js that=20 were reflected on the parser on lojban.org. https://github.com/lagleki/glekitufa/commits/master/camxes-exp.js.peg Those three records are evidences for your dictatorship that you abused=20 your authority on lojban.org by freely modified the tool on official server= =20 for your personal beginner's course. =20 > We can no more see that egocentric version of his personal beginner's=20 >> course, because he has already concealed the evidence. >> > > Because it's not egocentric and on the contrary altruistic. > What can even be egocentric in an activity for which personally I gain=20 > nothing. > =20 > You gained "modern Lojban" suitable to your ideal, and deprived me of my=20 citizenship of Lojban community. The evidences are below. You differentiated Zantufa grammar on #lojban channel of IRC: --- Day changed Mon Aug 10 2015 10:43 < gleki> lo catni gerna cu te frica ma'oi GUhA ma'oi GA i ma'i la=20 zantufa lo cmavo be ma'oi GUhA cu na'e se nitcu jecu ku'i binxo lo cmavo be= =20 ma'oi GA i lu ro mo cu ge mo gi mo li'u ja lu ro mo ge cu mo gi mo li'u cu= =20 se stura lo simsa be tu'a lo catni gerna sei ku'i na'e dunli 10:43 < gleki> i di'u se cusku la guskant 10:43 < gleki> i ja'o lo guskanbau cu banzu frica lo jbobau This record and above three records are evidences for your egocentrism of= =20 asserting that I am not Lojbanist, while you keep some dialects that you=20 permit to be modern Lojban. =20 > The fact that Gleki's course reduced its egocentrism is an improved point= ,=20 >> though his dictatorship will not stop as long as he continues=20 >> administrating "vrici" server of lojban.org. >> > > You simply don't understand who is administrating vrici. It's Robin. not= =20 > me. You as well can get an account there and put everything relevant to= =20 > Lojban you like. > > I don't know about the whole administratorship on that server. However, at= =20 least your modifications on tools are all reflected on the web contents of= =20 lojban.org. http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/ (I don't know why that folder is kept visible to public.) =20 > Actually the problem occurred as I wrote to Gleki: >> > > You as well publish different unofficial resources on lojban.org > > The only reason for me to publish it there was and is to provide a faster= =20 > way of accessing them. > > I only modified pages of mediawiki with notes of "unofficial" when=20 necessary, while you modified any tools on lojban.org as you like. You have= =20 the whole power on lojban.org web contents, and abused the power for your= =20 personal unofficial contents. 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Le mardi 2 f=C3=A9vrier 2016 06:39:15 UTC, la glek= i a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

2016-02-01 18:34 GMT+03:00 gus= kant <gusni...@gmail.com>:
The problem is that Gleki the dictator have been main= tained the parser on the official lojban.org se= rver so that it fit to his personal beginner's course, asserting that t= he grammar of experimental camxes-js is of new Lojban, as if it were de fac= to standard, or would be official soon.

It's simply not true.
=C2=A0


There is no evidence that it= 's not true, while there are evidences that it's true.
Be= cause you have concealed the evidences for that on lojban.org, I use the wa= yback machine here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20151031175123/ht= tps://mw.lojban.org/papri/La_Bangu
https://web.archive.org/web/20= 150226233559/http://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_Crash_Course_(a_draft)

The first archive above shows that your personal beginner&= #39;s course deals with "modern dialects of Lojban".=C2=A0
<= div>
The second one shows that the followers of your personal= beginner's course should use the parser http://mw.lojban.org/extension= s/ilmentufa/camxes-exp.html , that is experimental camxes-js, for checking = the grammar of their sentences.

Besides, you made = some modifications on the experimental camxes-js that were reflected on the= parser on lojban.org.
https://github.com/lagleki/glekitufa/commi= ts/master/camxes-exp.js.peg

Those three records ar= e evidences for your dictatorship that you abused your authority on lojban.= org by freely modified the tool on official server for your personal beginn= er's course.

=C2=A0
We can no more see that egocentric= version of his personal beginner's course, because he has already conc= ealed the evidence.

Because it's = not egocentric and on the contrary altruistic.
What can even be e= gocentric in an activity for which personally I gain nothing.
=C2= =A0


=
You gained "modern Lojban" suitable to your ideal, and depri= ved me of my citizenship of Lojban community. The evidences are below.

You differentiated Zantufa grammar on #lojban channel = of IRC:
--- Day changed Mon Aug 10 2015
10:43 < glek= i> lo catni gerna cu te frica ma'oi GUhA ma'oi GA i ma'i la = zantufa lo cmavo be ma'oi GUhA cu na'e se nitcu jecu ku'i binxo= lo cmavo be ma'oi GA i lu ro mo cu ge mo gi mo li'u ja lu ro mo ge= cu mo gi mo li'u cu se stura lo simsa be tu'a lo catni gerna sei k= u'i na'e dunli
10:43 < gleki> i di'u se cusku l= a guskant
10:43 < gleki> i ja'o lo guskanbau cu banzu f= rica lo jbobau

This record and above three records= are evidences for your egocentrism of asserting that I am not Lojbanist, w= hile you keep some dialects that you permit to be modern Lojban.
=
=C2=A0
The fact that Gleki's course reduced its egocentrism is a= n improved point, though his dictatorship will not stop as long as he conti= nues administrating "vrici" server of loj= ban.org.

You simply don't und= erstand who is administrating vrici. It's Robin. not me. You as well ca= n get an account there and put everything relevant to Lojban you like.


I don't know about the whole administratorship on that serv= er. However, at least your modifications on tools are all reflected on the = web contents of lojban.org.
http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/
=
(I don't know why that folder is kept visible to public.)

=C2=A0
Actually the problem occurred as I wrote to Gle= ki:

You as well publish different un= official resources on lojban.org
The only reason for me to publish it there was and is to provi= de a faster way of accessing them.

<= div>

I only modified pages of mediawiki with n= otes of "unofficial" when necessary, while you modified any tools= on lojban.org as you like. You have the whole power on lojban.org web cont= ents, and abused the power for your personal unofficial contents. I call it= dictatorship, and I have no other suitable word to express your activities= .


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