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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:46:17 +0300
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I don't know how the authors of WordNet did this but for Lojban I haven't
observed anyone to be able to handle this project MANUALLY even for the
core 1400 verbs.

The best universal solution for Lojbanistan is
1. to continue adding Lojban definitions of Lojban words into
jbovlaste.lojban.org
2. to stop meddling with generative grammars and to start developing
relation and knowledge extracting tools that can operate from phonology to
discourse using the one and the same principle.

The first isn't that hard and many Lojbanists have been contributing to it.
I don't observe the second for any language implemented fully but even
partial solutions like la tersmu + subsequent extraction of relations using
primitive parsers like a Tomita one are better than nothing.

2016-02-04 1:55 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:

> This is what it says about its relations on its homepage. As for how it
> deals with these (i.e., nuts-and-bolts things like file formats), I have =
no
> idea. There is a contact email address on that page as well.
>
> stevo
> Relations
>
> The most frequently encoded relation among synsets is the
> super-subordinate relation (also called hyperonymy, hyponymy or ISA
> relation). It links more general synsets like {furniture,
> piece_of_furniture} to increasingly specific ones like {bed} and {bunkbed=
}.
> Thus, WordNet states that the category furniture includes bed, which in
> turn includes bunkbed; conversely, concepts like bed and bunkbed make up
> the category furniture. All noun hierarchies ultimately go up the root no=
de
> {entity}. Hyponymy relation is transitive: if an armchair is a kind of
> chair, and if a chair is a kind of furniture, then an armchair is a kind =
of
> furniture. WordNet distinguishes among Types (common nouns) and Instances
> (specific persons, countries and geographic entities). Thus, armchair is =
a
> type of chair, Barack Obama is an instance of a president. Instances are
> always leaf (terminal) nodes in their hierarchies.
>
> Meronymy, the part-whole relation holds between synsets like {chair} and
> {back, backrest}, {seat} and {leg}. Parts are inherited from their
> superordinates: if a chair has legs, then an armchair has legs as well.
> Parts are not inherited =E2=80=9Cupward=E2=80=9D as they may be character=
istic only of
> specific kinds of things rather than the class as a whole: chairs and kin=
ds
> of chairs have legs, but not all kinds of furniture have legs.
>
> Verb synsets are arranged into hierarchies as well; verbs towards the
> bottom of the trees (troponyms) express increasingly specific manners
> characterizing an event, as in {communicate}-{talk}-{whisper}. The specif=
ic
> manner expressed depends on the semantic field; volume (as in the example
> above) is just one dimension along which verbs can be elaborated. Others
> are speed (move-jog-run) or intensity of emotion (like-love-idolize). Ver=
bs
> describing events that necessarily and unidirectionally entail one anothe=
r
> are linked: {buy}-{pay}, {succeed}-{try}, {show}-{see}, etc.
>
> Adjectives are organized in terms of antonymy. Pairs of =E2=80=9Cdirect=
=E2=80=9D antonyms
> like wet-dry and young-old reflect the strong semantic contract of their
> members. Each of these polar adjectives in turn is linked to a number of
> =E2=80=9Csemantically similar=E2=80=9D ones: dry is linked to parched, ar=
id, dessicated and
> bone-dry and wet to soggy, waterlogged, etc. Semantically similar
> adjectives are =E2=80=9Cindirect antonyms=E2=80=9D of the contral member =
of the opposite
> pole. Relational adjectives ("pertainyms") point to the nouns they are
> derived from (criminal-crime).
> There are only few adverbs in WordNet (hardly, mostly, really, etc.) as
> the majority of English adverbs are straightforwardly derived from
> adjectives via morphological affixation (surprisingly, strangely, etc.)
> Cross-POS relations
> The majority of the WordNet=E2=80=99s relations connect words from the sa=
me part
> of speech (POS). Thus, WordNet really consists of four sub-nets, one each
> for nouns, verbs, adjectives and adverbs, with few cross-POS pointers.
> Cross-POS relations include the =E2=80=9Cmorphosemantic=E2=80=9D links th=
at hold among
> semantically similar words sharing a stem with the same meaning: observe
> (verb), observant (adjective) observation, observatory (nouns). In many o=
f
> the noun-verb pairs the semantic role of the noun with respect to the ver=
b
> has been specified: {sleeper, sleeping_car} is the LOCATION for {sleep} a=
nd
> {painter}is the AGENT of {paint}, while {painting, picture} is its RESULT=
.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <
> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> 2016-02-02 20:20 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Specifying the type of relationship between words would be interesting,
>>> too, =C3=A0 la Wordnet.
>>>
>>
>> I haven't noticed anything special in WordNet but probably because I hav=
e
>> only used its edition for noobs, not available xml files.
>>
>> How does it deal with types of relationships except for "synonym",
>> "hypernym", "hyponym"?
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t know how the authors of WordNet did this but f=
or Lojban I haven&#39;t observed anyone to be able to handle this project M=
ANUALLY=C2=A0even for the core 1400 verbs.<div><br></div><div>The best univ=
ersal solution for Lojbanistan is=C2=A0</div><div>1. to continue adding Loj=
ban definitions of Lojban words into <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org=
">jbovlaste.lojban.org</a></div><div>2. to stop meddling with generative gr=
ammars and to start developing relation and knowledge extracting tools that=
 can operate from phonology to discourse using the one and the same princip=
le.</div><div><br></div><div>The first isn&#39;t that hard and many Lojbani=
sts have been contributing to it.</div><div>I don&#39;t observe the second =
for any language implemented fully but even partial solutions like la tersm=
u + subsequent extraction of relations using primitive parsers like a Tomit=
a one are better than nothing.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">2016-02-04 1:55 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&#39;courier new&#39;,=
monospace">This is what it says about its relations on its homepage. As for=
 how it deals with these (i.e., nuts-and-bolts things like file formats), I=
 have no idea. There is a contact email address on that page as well.=C2=A0=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&#39;courier new=
9;,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&=
#39;courier new&#39;,monospace">stevo</div><h3 style=3D"color:rgb(75,48,7);=
font-size:1.25em;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:20px;ba=
ckground-color:rgb(231,231,231)">Relations</h3><p style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,=
51);font-stretch:normal;font-size:0.85em;font-family:&#39;Lucida Grande&#39=
;,&#39;Lucida Grande Unicode&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.=
5em;background-color:rgb(231,231,231)">The most frequently encoded relation=
 among synsets is the super-subordinate relation (also called hyperonymy, h=
yponymy or ISA relation). It links more general synsets like {furniture, pi=
ece_of_furniture} to increasingly specific ones like {bed} and {bunkbed}. T=
hus, WordNet states that the category furniture includes bed, which in turn=
 includes bunkbed; conversely, concepts like bed and bunkbed make up the ca=
tegory furniture. All noun hierarchies ultimately go up the root node {enti=
ty}. Hyponymy relation is transitive: if an armchair is a kind of chair, an=
d if a chair is a kind of furniture, then an armchair is a kind of furnitur=
e. WordNet distinguishes among Types (common nouns) and Instances (specific=
 persons, countries and geographic entities). Thus, armchair is a type of c=
hair, Barack Obama is an instance of a president. Instances are always leaf=
 (terminal) nodes in their hierarchies.</p><p style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);=
font-stretch:normal;font-size:0.85em;font-family:&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,&#=
39;Lucida Grande Unicode&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.5em;=
background-color:rgb(231,231,231)">Meronymy, the part-whole relation holds =
between synsets like {chair} and {back, backrest}, {seat} and {leg}. Parts =
are inherited from their superordinates: if a chair has legs, then an armch=
air has legs as well. Parts are not inherited =E2=80=9Cupward=E2=80=9D as t=
hey may be characteristic only of specific kinds of things rather than the =
class as a whole: chairs and kinds of chairs have legs, but not all kinds o=
f furniture have legs.</p><p style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-stretch:norm=
al;font-size:0.85em;font-family:&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,&#39;Lucida Grande =
Unicode&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:1.5em;background-color:=
rgb(231,231,231)">Verb synsets are arranged into hierarchies as well; verbs=
 towards the bottom of the trees (troponyms) express increasingly specific =
manners characterizing an event, as in {communicate}-{talk}-{whisper}. The =
specific manner expressed depends on the semantic field; volume (as in the =
example above) is just one dimension along which verbs can be elaborated. O=
thers are speed (move-jog-run) or intensity of emotion (like-love-idolize).=
 Verbs describing events that necessarily and unidirectionally entail one a=
nother are linked: {buy}-{pay}, {succeed}-{try}, {show}-{see}, etc.</p><p s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-stretch:normal;font-size:0.85em;font-famil=
y:&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,&#39;Lucida Grande Unicode&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,s=
ans-serif;line-height:1.5em;background-color:rgb(231,231,231)">Adjectives a=
re organized in terms of antonymy. Pairs of =E2=80=9Cdirect=E2=80=9D antony=
ms like wet-dry and young-old reflect the strong semantic contract of their=
 members. Each of these polar adjectives in turn is linked to a number of =
=E2=80=9Csemantically similar=E2=80=9D ones: dry is linked to parched, arid=
, dessicated and bone-dry and wet to soggy, waterlogged, etc. Semantically =
similar adjectives are =E2=80=9Cindirect antonyms=E2=80=9D of the contral m=
ember of the opposite pole. Relational adjectives (&quot;pertainyms&quot;) =
point to the nouns they are derived from (criminal-crime).=C2=A0<br>There a=
re only few adverbs in WordNet (hardly, mostly, really, etc.) as the majori=
ty of English adverbs are straightforwardly derived from adjectives via mor=
phological affixation (surprisingly, strangely, etc.)</p><h3 style=3D"color=
:rgb(75,48,7);font-size:1.25em;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;line-=
height:20px;background-color:rgb(231,231,231)">Cross-POS relations</h3><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&#39;courier new&#39;,monospa=
ce"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;,=
&#39;Lucida Grande Unicode&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:0.85em=
;line-height:1.5em;background-color:rgb(231,231,231)">The majority of the W=
ordNet=E2=80=99s relations connect words from the same part of speech (POS)=
. Thus, WordNet really consists of four sub-nets, one each for nouns, verbs=
, adjectives and adverbs, with few cross-POS pointers. Cross-POS relations =
include the =E2=80=9Cmorphosemantic=E2=80=9D links that hold among semantic=
ally similar words sharing a stem with the same meaning: observe (verb), ob=
servant (adjective) observation, observatory (nouns). In many of the noun-v=
erb pairs the semantic role of the noun with respect to the verb has been s=
pecified: {sleeper, sleeping_car} is the LOCATION for {sleep} and {painter}=
is the AGENT of {paint}, while {painting, picture} is its RESULT.</span>=C2=
=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv><div class=3D"h5">On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 12:46 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><span><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2016-02-02 20:20 GMT+=
03:00 MorphemeAddict <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier n=
ew,monospace">Specifying the type of relationship between words would be in=
teresting, too, =C3=A0 la Wordnet.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"></div></blockquote></div><br></=
span>I haven&#39;t noticed anything special in WordNet but probably because=
 I have only used its edition for noobs, not available xml files.</div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">How does it dea=
l with types of relationships except for &quot;synonym&quot;, &quot;hyperny=
m&quot;, &quot;hyponym&quot;?</div></div></div></div><div><div>

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