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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w10si379705wmw.3.2016.02.08.10.00.30 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Feb 2016 10:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a; Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id p63so126880161wmp.1 for ; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 10:00:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.28.176.131 with SMTP id z125mr138771wme.5.1454954430190; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 10:00:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.92.136 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Feb 2016 09:59:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:59:50 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Do Lojban and Loglan sound alike? 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Is this true, or is there a bigger > difference I'm missing? > They sound very different. Try the tool http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/ircbot/naxle.html and after typing something in Lojban press "Loglan < Lojban" to try automatic conversion to Loglan. although the conversion is not perfect it can show you the difference. E.g. {mi prami do} => {mi cluva tu}. > stevo > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2016-02-08 19:43 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:
It seems to me that, except for a few mino= r differences like long vowels and syllable-initial /h/, Loglan and Lojban = should sound almost identical to a person who knows neither. Is this true, = or is there a bigger difference I'm missing?=C2=A0

They sound very different.


and after typing something in Lojban press &= quot;Loglan < Lojban" =C2=A0to try automatic conversion to Loglan. = although the conversion is not perfect it can show you the difference.

E.g. {mi prami do} =3D> {mi cluva tu}.

stevo

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