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[72.30.239.153]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q187si1909740ywf.4.2016.02.08.10.45.00 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Feb 2016 10:45:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 72.30.239.153 as permitted sender) client-ip=72.30.239.153; Received: from [66.196.81.171] by nm39.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2016 18:45:00 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.232] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2016 18:45:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2016 18:45:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 661903.12943.bm@omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: C51XTxAVM1nA6sxzCqKFRPQq5KI_aeczN_LP6CWJaQ.cNjIqHppuh64i3GfhjBc YDlac2SSSNbay_mAgj_YK7mApnFz8DBSo0d_lWQvNgk7DGiY3eQ.kQyx.FgOFbIEriDmeC9Cw3nm vmut1TN7bb9ojeZHurvUqFjQeRtaGgBeCm8vn_lyrelMX0_dU64QE7mMpv6cKYJYx0SlQ599mqGQ LLc2zESWJnWO8u1gh3eyzkADKZc05ZykyuhHtP3WUAi5w5sDSH34T4tfoV04KMjmnLCgN99EO2We DRxtDAgZcw.Y6SdP08zrXLd2EgDGPCYpRPiWvdJ8Bojg7SWA_D4NO4No2Qs1dJZsaaQ794M7sQJJ q5jBsqtHHhtWRh_D1M6ouULtApFOETTieARsogcvSFMMU8sgNBkNcJ_ACmXDTL_aS91aiesttp1S shfPvUAbIazLlfvPUH74aTnl.LMr_n._Mf19RFFuECVpxk4QhexldE61Olj_sCZV2tgTvJqb.To4 G_ZDWuXvJnkxQFYsbupQ- Received: by 76.13.27.134; Mon, 08 Feb 2016 18:45:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 18:44:59 +0000 (UTC) From: "'John E Clifford' via lojban" Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Message-ID: <910695992.1046188.1454957099746.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban] Do Lojban and Loglan sound alike? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1046187_1982347428.1454957099738" Content-Length: 8508 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 72.30.239.153 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: John E Clifford X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_1046187_1982347428.1454957099738 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems the question is about the general sound, not about individual sent= ences, which are obviously different, given the relex and all. =20 On Monday, February 8, 2016 12:00 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: =20 =20 2016-02-08 19:43 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict : It seems to me that, except for a few minor differences like long vowels an= d syllable-initial /h/, Loglan and Lojban should sound almost identical to = a person who knows neither. Is this true, or is there a bigger difference I= 'm missing?=C2=A0 They sound very different. Try the tool http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/ircbot/naxle.html and after typing something in Lojban press "Loglan < Lojban" =C2=A0to try a= utomatic conversion to Loglan. although the conversion is not perfect it ca= n show you the difference. E.g. {mi prami do} =3D> {mi cluva tu}. stevo--=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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It seems the question is about the ge= neral sound, not about individual sentences, which are obviously different,= given the relex and all.



On Monday, February 8, 2016 12:00 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.= my.name@gmail.com> wrote:




2016-02-08 19:43 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw= @gmail.com>:
It seems to me that, except for a few minor differences like long vowels a= nd syllable-initial /h/, Loglan and Lojban should sound almost identical to= a person who knows neither. Is this true, or is there a bigger difference = I'm missing? 

and after typing something in Lojban press "Loglan < Lojb= an"  to try automatic conversion to Loglan. although the conversion is= not perfect it can show you the difference.

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E.g. {mi prami do} =3D> {mi cluva tu}.


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