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Subject: Re: [lojban] Do Lojban and Loglan sound alike?
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Well, it would be interesting to see if fluent lojban contains a different 
distribution, or greater or lesser number, of cmavo; that could create a 
different overall stress pattern.

Also, different frequencies of longer lujvo and zi'evla could equally
affect the stress patterns of the languages.

mi'e la clakre

On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 02:31:19PM -0600, MorphemeAddict wrote:
> Exactly. That's why I specified "to a person who knows neither".
> 
> Aside from the apostrophe/h and more frequent sh/'c' sound, what's the real
> difference? They have the same word shapes, basically the same sounds. Is
> there any distinctive intonation pattern in either language?
> 
> stevo
> 
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:44 PM, 'John E Clifford' via lojban <
> lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> > It seems the question is about the general sound, not about individual
> > sentences, which are obviously different, given the relex and all.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, February 8, 2016 12:00 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <
> > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2016-02-08 19:43 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:
> >
> > It seems to me that, except for a few minor differences like long vowels
> > and syllable-initial /h/, Loglan and Lojban should sound almost identical
> > to a person who knows neither. Is this true, or is there a bigger
> > difference I'm missing?
> >
> >
> > They sound very different.
> >
> > Try the tool http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/ircbot/naxle.html
> >
> > and after typing something in Lojban press "Loglan < Lojban"  to try
> > automatic conversion to Loglan. although the conversion is not perfect it
> > can show you the difference.
> >
> > E.g. {mi prami do} => {mi cluva tu}.
> >
> >
> > stevo
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