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[2a00:1450:4010:c04::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qx5si1016868lbb.1.2016.02.09.11.01.15 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Feb 2016 11:01:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::229; Received: by mail-lb0-x229.google.com with SMTP id cw1so105513845lbb.1 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 11:01:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.162.231 with SMTP id yd7mr14405453lbb.40.1455044474947; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 11:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.39.131 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 11:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.39.131 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 11:01:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <910695992.1046188.1454957099746.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:01:14 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Do Lojban and Loglan sound alike? From: And Rosta To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011608e00fd267052b5af154 X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --089e011608e00fd267052b5af154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 8 Feb 2016 20:31, "MorphemeAddict" wrote: > > Exactly. That's why I specified "to a person who knows neither". > > Aside from the apostrophe/h and more frequent sh/'c' sound, what's the real difference? They have the same word shapes, basically the same sounds. Is there any distinctive intonation pattern in either language? I've never heard Loglan spoken, but certainly with spoken Lojban the h & c are extremely conspicuous. So my hunch is that they sound similar but still quite distinct, like closely related European languages, like the way Portuguese sounds Romance but with a ton of nasality. --And. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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On 8 Feb 2016 20:31, "MorphemeAddict" <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Exactly. That's why I specified "to a person who knows neithe= r".=C2=A0
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> Aside from the apostrophe/h and more frequent sh/'c' sound, wh= at's the real difference? They have the same word shapes, basically the= same sounds. Is there any distinctive intonation pattern in either languag= e?=C2=A0

I've never heard Loglan spoken, but certainly with spoke= n Lojban the h & c are extremely conspicuous. So my hunch is that they = sound similar but still quite distinct, like closely related European langu= ages, like the way Portuguese sounds Romance but with a ton of nasality.

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