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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h126si415542wme.0.2016.02.29.05.55.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::231; Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id l68so37700518wml.0 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:55:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.115.196 with SMTP id jq4mr14952075wjb.101.1456754116042; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:55:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.91.210 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 05:54:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56D44C06.6090306@gmail.com> References: <5672AD2E.4020202@gmail.com> <567DBEC1.2020201@gmail.com> <56869D92.6010103@gmail.com> <568E9255.9010407@gmail.com> <5697FD20.8050900@gmail.com> <56A0F91A.3070608@gmail.com> <56B3BC4F.9000306@gmail.com> <56BCC70D.5080301@gmail.com> <56C63432.7080009@gmail.com> <56CF3893.3020800@gmail.com> <56D44C06.6090306@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:54:36 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?B?W2xvamJhbl0gUmU6IFvjg63jgrjjg5Djg7Pnm7joq4flrqRdIFJlOiBqYm9iYXUgdm9rdA==?= =?UTF-8?B?YSdhIG51IGptYWpp?= Cc: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1130cd7c9de69f052ce8ffb7 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_bar: / --001a1130cd7c9de69f052ce8ffb7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2016-02-29 16:47 GMT+03:00 Ilmen : > Thank you for your advices. > > I think you've mistakenly sent this e-mail only to the Japanese mailing > list, so I hereby forward it to the main English list. > oise'i u'u Anyway, I copied these details to https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban_around_the_world#Technical_rules_of_usin= g_Skype.2FQQ > > mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o > > > On 29/02/2016 10:59, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > I noticed that some people have trouble operating Skype. > So here are the basic rules of a successful voice chat for Skype > > 1. Use a group where all potential speakers share their interest in the > forthcoming conference in text form only. This group already exists. It's > called {ko ciska po'o tavla ...} (meaning "Talk by writing only...") This > group is only for planning, not for actual talking. Ask in this mail thre= ad > to add you there. > 2. One person runs a desktop version of Skype and has good incoming and > outcoming internet connection (~1Mbit/sec in both directions is fine). > 3. This person must add all interested people to his/her friend list and > those people must confirm "friendship". > 4. This person calls the first person and after successful connection > drops other people into the chat window. > 5. Please, everyone switch off your video by pressing on the video button > so that it becomes crossed out. > 6. Before any conference check your microphone and audio settings of > Skype. Add "echo123" user (it's a bot) to your friend list, call it and > follow the instruction. Change settings of your Skype client if necessary= . > 7. If you have noise around you during the conference or if other members > notice a noise from your side switch off your microphone by pressing on t= he > Microphone button so that it becomes crossed out. > > I think that as of now Skype is preferable since it has better voice > compression and buffering mechanisms preventing clicks/pauses during > conversation due to unstable internet connection. As of now it's unlikely > that 100% of potential students of Lojban get normal internet connection. > Many even change to mobile connection dropping the level of fast + stable > internet connection even more. > > I should also note that QQ messenger used in China has been successfully > tested by me several time with mainland China residents and it works okay= . > Just like Skype. > > Commercial clients win but explanations of that are outside the scope of > this post. > > > 2016-02-25 20:23 GMT+03:00 Ilmen : > >> coi ro do mi'e la .ilmen. >> >> .i .ai co'a lo se tcika be li *pa mu pi'e ci no* bei lo *zeldei* poi >> bavla'i bei UTC cu jundi fa mi *lo jbobau kumfa ku pe la .skaip.* te >> zu'e lo nu vokta'a fo lo jbobau >> .i va'o lo nu do djica lo nu do mi'a jbobau vokta'a kansa zo'u .e'e do >> selplibregau *la .skaip.* gi'e co'a jundi *lo **jbobau kumfa* gi'e >> jungau mi'a lo du'u do vokta'a kansa djica >> >> I intend to attend the *Lojban room of Skype* for chatting vocally in >> Lojban on next *Sun**day* (2016-02-28), beginning at *3:30PM UTC* (New >> York: 10:30AM, Los Angeles: 7:30AM). >> If you want to take part in our Lojban vocal chat, please have your >> *Skype* ready, go to the *Lojban room*, and announce your presence there= . >> >> =EF=BC=B5=EF=BC=B4=EF=BC=A3=E6=99=82=E9=96=93 =E5=B9=B42016=E6=9C=8802= =E6=97=A528=E3=80=8115:30 =EF=BC=88=E3=81=A4=E3=81=BE=E3=82=8A=E3=80=81=E6= =97=A5=E6=9C=AC=E6=99=82=E9=96=93 =E5=B9=B42016=E6=9C=8802=E6=97=A529=E3=80= =8100:30=EF=BC=89=E3=81=AB=E5=A7=8B=E3=81=BE=E3=81=A3=E3=81=A6=E3=80=81=E5= =8F=A3=E8=AA=9E=E3=83=AD=E3=82=B8=E3=83=90=E3=83=B3=E3=81=A7=E5=96=8B=E3=82= =8B=E3=81=9F=E3=82=81=E3=81=AB=E7=A7=81=E3=81=AF >> *Skype* =E3=81=AE=E3=83=AD=E3=82=B8=E3=83=90=E3=83=B3=E3=82=B0=E3=83=AB= =E3=83=BC=E3=83=97=E3=81=AB=E5=87=BA=E3=82=8B=E3=81=A4=E3=82=82=E3=82=8A=E3= =81=A7=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 >> =E5=8F=A3=E8=AA=9E=E3=83=AD=E3=82=B8=E3=83=90=E3=83=B3=E3=81=A7=E8=A9=B1= =E3=81=97=E5=90=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=AE=E3=81=AB=E4=BC=B4=E3=81=84=E3=81=9F=E3= =81=84=E3=81=AA=E3=82=89=E3=81=B0=E3=80=81 *Skype* =E3=81=AE=E6=BA=96=E5=82= =99=E3=82=92=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E3=83=AD=E3=82=B8=E3=83=90=E3=83=B3=E3=82=B0= =E3=83=AB=E3=83=BC=E3=83=97=E3=81=AB=E6=B3=A8=E7=9B=AE=E3=81=97=E3=81=A6=E5= =87=BA=E5=B8=AD=E3=82=92=E7=99=BA=E8=A1=A8=E3=81=97=E3=81=A6=E3=81=8F=E3=81= =A0=E3=81=95=E3=81=84=E3=80=82 >> >> mu'o >> > > -- > =E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AF Google =E3=82=B0= =E3=83=AB=E3=83=BC=E3=83=97=E3=81=AE=E3=82=B0=E3=83=AB=E3=83=BC=E3=83=97=E3= =80=8C=E3=83=AD=E3=82=B8=E3=83=90=E3=83=B3=E7=9B=B8=E8=AB=87=E5=AE=A4=E3=80= =8D=E3=81=AB=E7=99=BB=E9=8C=B2=E3=81=97=E3=81=A6=E3=81=84=E3=82=8B=E3=83=A6= =E3=83=BC=E3=82=B6=E3=83=BC=E3=81=AB=E9=80=81=E3=82=89=E3=82=8C=E3=81=A6=E3= =81=84=E3=81=BE=E3=81=99=E3=80=82 > =E3=81=93=E3=81=AE=E3=82=B0=E3=83=AB=E3=83=BC=E3=83=97=E3=81=8B=E3=82=89= =E9=80=80=E4=BC=9A=E3=81=97=E3=80=81=E3=82=B0=E3=83=AB=E3=83=BC=E3=83=97=E3= =81=8B=E3=82=89=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=E3=81=AE=E9=85=8D=E4=BF= =A1=E3=82=92=E5=81=9C=E6=AD=A2=E3=81=99=E3=82=8B=E3=81=AB=E3=81=AF > lojban-soudan+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com =E3=81=AB=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3= =83=AB=E3=82=92=E9=80=81=E4=BF=A1=E3=81=97=E3=81=A6=E3=81=8F=E3=81=A0=E3=81= =95=E3=81=84=E3=80=82 > =E3=81=9D=E3=81=AE=E4=BB=96=E3=81=AE=E3=82=AA=E3=83=97=E3=82=B7=E3=83=A7= =E3=83=B3=E3=81=AB=E3=81=A4=E3=81=84=E3=81=A6=E3=81=AF https://groups.googl= e.com/d/optout =E3=81=AB=E3=82=A2=E3=82=AF=E3=82=BB=E3=82=B9=E3=81=97=E3=81= =A6=E3=81=8F=E3=81=A0=E3=81=95=E3=81=84=E3=80=82 > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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2016-02-29 16:47 GMT+03:00 Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>= ;:
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Thank you for your advices.

I think you've mistakenly sent this e-mail only to the Japanese mailing list, so I hereby forward it to the main English list.

oise'i u'u
Anyway, I co= pied these details to=C2=A0

=C2=A0

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


On 29/02/2016 10:59, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
I noticed that some people have trouble operating Skype.
So here are the basic rules of a successful voice chat for Skype

1. Use a group where all potential speakers share their interest in the forthcoming conference in text form only. This group already exists. It's called {ko ciska po'o tavla ..= .} (meaning "Talk by writing only...") This group is only = for planning, not for actual talking. Ask in this mail thread to add you there.
2. One person runs a desktop version of Skype and has good incoming and outcoming internet connection (~1Mbit/sec in both directions is fine).
3. This person must add all interested people to his/her friend list and those people must confirm "friendship".=
4. This person calls the first person and after successful connection drops other people into the chat window.
5. Please, everyone switch off your video by pressing on the video button so that it becomes crossed out.
6. Before any conference check your microphone and audio settings of Skype. Add "echo123" user (it's a bot) = to your friend list, call it and follow the instruction. Change settings of your Skype client if necessary.
7. If you have noise around you during the conference or if other members notice a noise from your side switch off your microphone by pressing on the Microphone button so that it becomes crossed out.

I think that as of now Skype is preferable since it has better voice compression and buffering mechanisms preventing clicks/pauses during conversation due to unstable internet connection. As of now it's unlikely that 100% of potential students of Lojban get normal internet connection. Many even change to mobile connection dropping the level of fast + stable internet connection even more.

I should also note that QQ messenger used in China has been successfully tested by me several time with mainland China residents and it works okay. Just like Skype.

Commercial clients win but explanations of that are outside the scope of this post.


2016-02-25 20:23 GMT+03:00 Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>:
coi ro do mi'e la .ilmen.

.i .ai co'a lo se tcika be li pa mu pi'e ci = no bei lo zeldei poi bavla'i bei UTC cu jundi fa mi lo jbobau kumfa ku pe la .skaip. te zu'e lo nu vokta'a fo lo jbobau
.i va'o lo nu do djica lo nu do mi'a jbobau vok= ta'a kansa zo'u .e'e do selplibregau la .skaip. gi'e co'a jundi lo jbobau kumfa g= i'e jungau mi'a lo du'u do vokta'a kansa djica<= br>
I intend to attend the Lojban room of Skype for chatting vocally in Lojban on next Sun= day (2016-02-28), beginning at 3:30PM UTC (New York: 10:30AM, Los Angeles: 7:30AM).
If you want to take part in our Lojban vocal chat, please have your Skype ready, go to the Lojba= n room, and announce your presence there.

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