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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 11:41:58 +0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Pronunciation on "The Crash Course"
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2016-03-02 11:16 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:

>
> On 2 Mar 2016 07:42, "Luke Bergen" <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Found my way to https://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_Crash_Course_(a_draft)
> and noticed "ia is pronounced as yu in yummy". Is this true? I thought
> given the pronunciation of "a" that "ia" would be pronounced more like "yo"
> as in "yonder" or "beyond".
> >
> > I'd think if you wanted to make the "yu" as in "yummy" sound in lojban
> the closest thing would be "iy"
> >
> > Am I wrong in this?
>
> You're right for North Americans. The crash course is right for the
> Southern English and Southern Hemisphereans. Both are wrong, in different
> ways, for the Northern English and the Irish and the Scots.
>
> Any attempt to characterize phonetic realization of Lojban phonemes in
> terms of English words is likely to engender confusions like this. In 2016
> you can use IPA linked to Wikipedia, or IPA with embedded sound files, or
> just sound files.
>

And, would "ya" in "yard" suffice?


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2016-03-02 11:16 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:and.rosta@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">and.rosta@gmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><p dir=3D"ltr"><br=
>
On 2 Mar 2016 07:42, &quot;Luke Bergen&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeaber=
gen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lukeabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Found my way to <a href=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_Crash_Cours=
e_(a_draft)" target=3D"_blank">https://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_Crash_Course=
_(a_draft)</a> and noticed &quot;ia is pronounced as yu in yummy&quot;. Is =
this true? I thought given the pronunciation of &quot;a&quot; that &quot;ia=
&quot; would be pronounced more like &quot;yo&quot; as in &quot;yonder&quot=
; or &quot;beyond&quot;.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;d think if you wanted to make the &quot;yu&quot; as in &quot;yum=
my&quot; sound in lojban the closest thing would be &quot;iy&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Am I wrong in this?</p>
</span><p dir=3D"ltr">You&#39;re right for North Americans. The crash cours=
e is right for the Southern English and Southern Hemisphereans. Both are wr=
ong, in different ways, for the Northern English and the Irish and the Scot=
s.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Any attempt to characterize phonetic realization of Lojban p=
honemes in terms of English words is likely to engender confusions like thi=
s. In 2016 you can use IPA linked to Wikipedia, or IPA with embedded sound =
files, or just sound files.</p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And, would =
&quot;ya&quot; in &quot;yard&quot; suffice?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
<p dir=3D"ltr">--And.</p></font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"=
h5">
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