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[2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nt4si731562igb.2.2016.03.03.06.10.57 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Mar 2016 06:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234; Received: by mail-ob0-x234.google.com with SMTP id fz5so20943303obc.0 for ; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 06:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.142.170 with SMTP id rx10mr1889877obb.34.1457014257560; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 06:10:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.251.137 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 06:10:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8475997.LPDqs0XxzX@caracal> From: Michael Turniansky Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 09:10:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Pronunciation on "The Crash Course" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c338b2413784052d259129 X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c338b2413784052d259129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Really? You pronounce the vowel sound in "yawn" and "yawn" the same as the other three? (Oh, right, you're from cot/caught merger land) --gejyspa On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > yacht, yawn, yadda (yadda), y'all, yawp > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Gleki Arxokuna > wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-03-03 14:42 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >> >>> On Wednesday, March 02, 2016 11:41:58 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>> > And, would "ya" in "yard" suffice? >>> >>> "ya" in "yard" is good for "ia", unless you r-color the vowel. There are >>> too >>> many variations in the pronunciation of vowels in English. I think it's >>> better >>> to explain the Lojban vowels in terms of Spanish, except "y". But there >>> are a >>> few Spanish speakers who pronounce vowels differently (I've read that >>> they >>> change vowel quality in front of /s/, and I've heard someone talk like >>> that, >>> but I haven't analyzed her speech to figure out exactly what she's >>> doing). >>> >> >> In a course for polyglots definitely :) >> >> >>> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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Really?=C2=A0 You pronounce the vowel sound in "yawn&= quot; and "yawn" the same as the other three? (Oh, right, you'= ;re from cot/caught merger land)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--ge= jyspa


On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus= @gmail.com> wrote:
yacht, yawn, yadda (yadda), y'all, yawp

On Thu,= Mar 3, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.c= om> wrote:


2016-0= 3-03 14:42 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Wednesday, March 02, 2016 11:41:58 Gl= eki Arxokuna wrote:
> And, would "ya" in "yard" suffice?

"ya" in "yard" is good for "ia", unles= s you r-color the vowel. There are too
many variations in the pronunciation of vowels in English. I think it's= better
to explain the Lojban vowels in terms of Spanish, except "y". But= there are a
few Spanish speakers who pronounce vowels differently (I've read that t= hey
change vowel quality in front of /s/, and I've heard someone talk like = that,
but I haven't analyzed her speech to figure out exactly what she's = doing).

In a course for polyglot= s definitely :)
=C2=A0

Pierre
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