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[2607:f8b0:4002:c07::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g136si2418447ywb.5.2016.03.03.11.20.35 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c07::235; Received: by mail-yk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id z13so13548932ykd.0 for ; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:20:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.37.47.76 with SMTP id v73mr2389190ybv.42.1457032835405; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.210.199 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 11:20:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8475997.LPDqs0XxzX@caracal> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 12:20:35 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Pronunciation on "The Crash Course" From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140b9c094a009052d29e448 X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --001a1140b9c094a009052d29e448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That seemed intentionally insulting. And people wonder why no hangs around in Lojbanistan anymore. On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > Really? You pronounce the vowel sound in "yawn" and "yawn" the same as > the other three? (Oh, right, you're from cot/caught merger land) > --gejyspa > > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> yacht, yawn, yadda (yadda), y'all, yawp >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2016-03-03 14:42 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 02, 2016 11:41:58 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>>> > And, would "ya" in "yard" suffice? >>>> >>>> "ya" in "yard" is good for "ia", unless you r-color the vowel. There >>>> are too >>>> many variations in the pronunciation of vowels in English. I think it's >>>> better >>>> to explain the Lojban vowels in terms of Spanish, except "y". But there >>>> are a >>>> few Spanish speakers who pronounce vowels differently (I've read that >>>> they >>>> change vowel quality in front of /s/, and I've heard someone talk like >>>> that, >>>> but I haven't analyzed her speech to figure out exactly what she's >>>> doing). >>>> >>> >>> In a course for polyglots definitely :) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Pierre >>>> -- >>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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That seemed intentionally insulting. And people wonder why= no hangs around in Lojbanistan anymore.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Michael Tu= rniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
Really?=C2=A0 You pronounce the vowel so= und in "yawn" and "yawn" the same as the other three? (= Oh, right, you're from cot/caught merger land)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa


On= Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
yacht, yawn= , yadda (yadda), y'all, yawp
<= div>
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Gleki Ar= xokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

<= br>
2016-03-03 14:42 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat= <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Wednesday, March 02, 2016 11:41:58 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> And, would "ya" in "yard" suffice?

"ya" in "yard" is good for "ia", unles= s you r-color the vowel. There are too
many variations in the pronunciation of vowels in English. I think it's= better
to explain the Lojban vowels in terms of Spanish, except "y". But= there are a
few Spanish speakers who pronounce vowels differently (I've read that t= hey
change vowel quality in front of /s/, and I've heard someone talk like = that,
but I haven't analyzed her speech to figure out exactly what she's = doing).

In a course for polyglot= s definitely :)
=C2=A0

Pierre
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li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

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