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[2607:f8b0:4003:c01::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uw3si805090igb.1.2016.03.03.11.23.30 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:23:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::232; Received: by mail-ob0-x232.google.com with SMTP id xx9so29439775obc.2 for ; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:23:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.60.160.97 with SMTP id xj1mr3020818oeb.80.1457033010682; Thu, 03 Mar 2016 11:23:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.251.137 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Mar 2016 11:22:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8475997.LPDqs0XxzX@caracal> From: Michael Turniansky Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 14:22:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Pronunciation on "The Crash Course" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011768b1072206052d29ef48 X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_bar: - --089e011768b1072206052d29ef48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 No, not at all. I was surprised, tis all, because They are not at all the same sounds to me, but then I saw your Google card said "Boise, ID". And in that region of the country, they ARE the same sound. --gejyspa On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > That seemed intentionally insulting. And people wonder why no hangs around > in Lojbanistan anymore. > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > >> Really? You pronounce the vowel sound in "yawn" and "yawn" the same as >> the other three? (Oh, right, you're from cot/caught merger land) >> --gejyspa >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> yacht, yawn, yadda (yadda), y'all, yawp >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2016-03-03 14:42 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 02, 2016 11:41:58 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>>>> > And, would "ya" in "yard" suffice? >>>>> >>>>> "ya" in "yard" is good for "ia", unless you r-color the vowel. There >>>>> are too >>>>> many variations in the pronunciation of vowels in English. I think >>>>> it's better >>>>> to explain the Lojban vowels in terms of Spanish, except "y". But >>>>> there are a >>>>> few Spanish speakers who pronounce vowels differently (I've read that >>>>> they >>>>> change vowel quality in front of /s/, and I've heard someone talk like >>>>> that, >>>>> but I haven't analyzed her speech to figure out exactly what she's >>>>> doing). >>>>> >>>> >>>> In a course for polyglots definitely :) >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pierre >>>>> -- >>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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=C2=A0 No, not at all.=C2=A0 I was surprised, tis all, bec= ause They are not at all the same sounds to me, but then I saw your Google = card said "Boise, ID".=C2=A0 And in that region of the country, t= hey ARE the same sound.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa
=

O= n Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
That seemed= intentionally insulting. And people wonder why no hangs around in Lojbanis= tan anymore.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:10 AM= , Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Really?=C2=A0 You pronounce = the vowel sound in "yawn" and "yawn" the same as the ot= her three? (Oh, right, you're from cot/caught merger land)
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa


On Thu, Mar 3, 2016= at 7:00 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
yacht, yawn, yadda (yadda), y= 'all, yawp

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-03-03 14:42 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo= .org>:
On Wednesday, = March 02, 2016 11:41:58 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> And, would "ya" in "yard" suffice?

"ya" in "yard" is good for "ia", unles= s you r-color the vowel. There are too
many variations in the pronunciation of vowels in English. I think it's= better
to explain the Lojban vowels in terms of Spanish, except "y". But= there are a
few Spanish speakers who pronounce vowels differently (I've read that t= hey
change vowel quality in front of /s/, and I've heard someone talk like = that,
but I haven't analyzed her speech to figure out exactly what she's = doing).

In a course for polyglot= s definitely :)
=C2=A0

Pierre
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