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Subject: Re: [lojban] News in la sutysisku app. Rhyme dictionary
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coi la gleki
.i mi .ei ckire do lo nu finti .i zabna sai .i ca'o pilno
.i ta'o mi zgana tu'a su'o cfila .i zo kukte zo gugde rimni je'a .i ku'i lo
me do moi na .arco ky. zi lo nu ciska gy.
mi'e la .uakci mu'o
ma xagmau .i zo djedei ji zo deidje

On 6 April 2016 at 10:26, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> Up till now Lojbanists had the following three main tools to search for
> rhymes for Lojban words:
>
> 1. https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rhymes_list
> 2. https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rhyming_alphabetical_list
> 3. own human memory
>
> Here is a new tool that is a part of the new version of la sutysisku.
>
> https://lojban.github.io/sutysisku/en/index.html#sisku/saclu@
>
> To find rhymes add @ at the end or in the beginning of the word.
>
> It employs an algorithm written from scratch and exceeds the first two
> tools in several ways:
>
> a. words with more precise rhymes are shown higher in the list.
> b. phonemes closer to each other in their articulation are taken into
> account. Thus for words ending in -e words ending in -i have a higher
> priority that those ending in -u. Also {l} is similar to {r} so {saclu}
> rhymes with {bacru} because {l} is close to {r}. With lower priority
> {saclu} rhymes with {cacra} because the last letter is different.
> c. To get the ultimate understanding please refer to the source code :)
> https://github.com/lagleki/glekitufa/blob/master/i/sisku.js#L441
>
> Thus, rhymes to {saclu} are richer than those provided by earlier rhyme
> lists.
> We only had {kacma} and {racli} as suggestions. Now we have many more.
>
> Also note that outputting word combinations (that is fragments of text) as
> results is not currently implemented as this first requires writing better
> parsers of Lojban text than what is currently provided by PEG parsers.
>
> Bonus:
>
> Interesting that when working on the algorithm for this app (to be used
> for art purposes) another art project was born. It's an orthography more
> strictly enabling audio-visual isomorphism:
>
> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_krulermorna
>
> It's both an art project and a part of the algorithm for searching rhymes.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:times ne=
w roman,serif;font-size:small"><font color=3D"#999999">coi la gleki</font><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:times new roman,seri=
f;font-size:small">.i mi .ei ckire do lo nu finti .i zabna sai .i ca&#39;o =
pilno</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:times new roma=
n,serif;font-size:small">.i ta&#39;o mi zgana tu&#39;a su&#39;o cfila .i zo=
 kukte zo gugde rimni je&#39;a .i ku&#39;i lo me do moi na .arco ky. zi lo =
nu ciska gy.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:times n=
ew roman,serif;font-size:small"><font color=3D"#999999">mi&#39;e la .uakci =
mu&#39;o</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:time=
s new roman,serif;font-size:small"><font color=3D"#f3f3f3">ma xagmau .i zo =
djedei ji zo deidje</font></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">On 6 April 2016 at 10:26, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gl=
eki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Up till now Lojbanists had the following three =
main tools to search for rhymes for Lojban words:</div><div><br></div><div>=
1.=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rhymes_list" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rhymes_list</a></div><div>2.=C2=A0<a href=3D=
"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rhyming_alphabetical_list" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rhyming_alphabetical_list</a></div><div>3. own h=
uman memory</div><div><br></div><div>Here is a new tool that is a part of t=
he new version of la sutysisku.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https:/=
/lojban.github.io/sutysisku/en/index.html#sisku/saclu@" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttps://lojban.github.io/sutysisku/en/index.html#sisku/saclu@</a><br></div><=
div><br></div><div>To find rhymes add @ at the end or in the beginning of t=
he word.</div><div><br></div><div>It employs an algorithm written from scra=
tch and exceeds the first two tools in several ways:</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>a. words with more precise rhymes are shown higher in the list.<br></div=
><div>b. phonemes closer to each other in their articulation are taken into=
 account. Thus for words ending in -e words ending in -i have a higher prio=
rity that those ending in -u. Also {l} is similar to {r} so {saclu} rhymes =
with {bacru} because {l} is close to {r}. With lower priority {saclu} rhyme=
s with {cacra} because the last letter is different.</div><div>c. To get th=
e ultimate understanding please refer to the source code :) <a href=3D"http=
s://github.com/lagleki/glekitufa/blob/master/i/sisku.js#L441" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://github.com/lagleki/glekitufa/blob/master/i/sisku.js#L441</a><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>Thus, rhymes to {saclu} are richer than those p=
rovided by earlier rhyme lists.</div><div>We only had {kacma} and {racli} a=
s suggestions. Now we have many more.</div><div><br></div><div>Also note th=
at outputting word combinations (that is fragments of text) as results is n=
ot currently implemented as this=C2=A0first=C2=A0requires writing better pa=
rsers of Lojban text than what is currently provided by PEG parsers.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Bonus:</div><div><br></div><div>Interesting that when wo=
rking on the algorithm for this app (to be used for art purposes) another a=
rt project was born. It&#39;s an orthography more strictly enabling audio-v=
isual isomorphism:<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://mw.lojba=
n.org/papri/la_krulermorna" target=3D"_blank">https://mw.lojban.org/papri/l=
a_krulermorna</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s both an art project=
 and a part of the algorithm for searching rhymes.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><f=
ont color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></div></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb">=
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