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[2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ai9si611617lbc.2.2016.04.09.04.31.55 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Apr 2016 04:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c07::229; Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id g184so105301234lfb.3 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 04:31:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.25.35.82 with SMTP id j79mr4355520lfj.55.1460201515792; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 04:31:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.144.229 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 04:31:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 14:31:16 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtsb2piYW5dIMKrc2UgZ29pwrs=?= To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113c8374a63ce905300ba8f7 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c07::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - --001a113c8374a63ce905300ba8f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, it was once discussed and never got into the wiki. If you have time plase make an article so that se goi is in the title with possibly redirects from {se po} into it. 2016-04-09 13:52 GMT+03:00 Bruno Panasiewicz : > coi ro do > The problem with =C2=ABgoi=C2=BB is that it is ambiguous=E2=80=94one can = not know which way > the assignment goes. > I was thinking about a nice solution, and found one. Basically, =C2=ABgoi= =C2=BB > assigns the left sumti to the right one. If one wants to do it the other > way around, he says =C2=ABse goi=C2=BB. For example: > > - *ko'a goi ko'e* =E2=80=93 it-1, from now on referred to as it-2; > - *la .alis. se goi ti* =E2=80=93 Alice, which from now on refers to t= his > thing here. > > Actually, this syntax can work with any other GOI! I will throw more > examples at you: > > - *lo vi ninmu se po lo junla* =E2=80=93 this woman here owning a watc= h (=C2=ABpo=C2=BB: > owned by..., =C2=ABse po=C2=BB: owning...); > - lo vi nanmu se po'e lo panzi =E2=80=93 this man here having a child = (=C2=ABpo'e=C2=BB: > intrinsic property of..., =C2=ABse po'e=C2=BB: owning intrinsically...= ). > > What do you think? > mi'e la .uakci mu'o > zo =C2=ABcrocatra=C2=BB zo'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Yes, it was once discussed and never got into the wiki. If= you have time plase make an article so that se goi is in the title with po= ssibly redirects from {se po} into it.

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2016-04-09 13:52 GMT+03:00 Bruno Panasiewicz <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>:
coi ro do
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The problem with =C2=ABgoi=C2=BB is that it is ambiguous=E2= =80=94one can not know which way the assignment goes.
I = was thinking about a nice solution, and found one. Basically, =C2=ABgoi=C2= =BB assigns the left sumti to the right one. If one wants to do it the othe= r way around, he says =C2=ABse goi=C2=BB. For example:
  • ko'a goi= ko'e =E2=80=93 it-1, from now on referred to as it-2;
  • <= li>la .alis. se goi ti =E2=80= =93 Alice, which from now on refers to this thing here.
Actually, this syntax can work with any = other GOI! I will throw more examples at you:
  • lo vi ninmu se= po lo junla =E2=80=93 this woman here owning a watch (=C2=ABpo=C2=BB: = owned by..., =C2=ABse po=C2=BB: owning...);
  • lo vi nanmu se po'e lo panzi =E2=80=93 this man h= ere having a child (=C2=ABpo'e=C2=BB: intrinsic property of..., =C2=ABs= e po'e=C2=BB: owning intrinsically...).
What do you think?
mi'e la= .uakci mu'o
zo =C2=ABcrocatra=C2=BB zo'o

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