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Subject: [lojban] Re: News in la sutysisku app. Rhyme dictionary
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This is great! Before, I'd always used regular expressions, which was 
pretty simple for finding exact rhymes, but got more complicated if I 
wanted to allow for inexact rhymes

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016 at 2:26:58 AM UTC-7, la gleki wrote:
>
> Up till now Lojbanists had the following three main tools to search for 
> rhymes for Lojban words:
>
> 1. https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rhymes_list
> 2. https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rhyming_alphabetical_list
> 3. own human memory
>
> Here is a new tool that is a part of the new version of la sutysisku.
>
> https://lojban.github.io/sutysisku/en/index.html#sisku/saclu@
>
> To find rhymes add @ at the end or in the beginning of the word.
>
> It employs an algorithm written from scratch and exceeds the first two 
> tools in several ways:
>
> a. words with more precise rhymes are shown higher in the list.
> b. phonemes closer to each other in their articulation are taken into 
> account. Thus for words ending in -e words ending in -i have a higher 
> priority that those ending in -u. Also {l} is similar to {r} so {saclu} 
> rhymes with {bacru} because {l} is close to {r}. With lower priority 
> {saclu} rhymes with {cacra} because the last letter is different.
> c. To get the ultimate understanding please refer to the source code :) 
> https://github.com/lagleki/glekitufa/blob/master/i/sisku.js#L441
>
> Thus, rhymes to {saclu} are richer than those provided by earlier rhyme 
> lists.
> We only had {kacma} and {racli} as suggestions. Now we have many more.
>
> Also note that outputting word combinations (that is fragments of text) as 
> results is not currently implemented as this first requires writing better 
> parsers of Lojban text than what is currently provided by PEG parsers.
>
> Bonus:
>
> Interesting that when working on the algorithm for this app (to be used 
> for art purposes) another art project was born. It's an orthography more 
> strictly enabling audio-visual isomorphism:
>
> https://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_krulermorna
>
> It's both an art project and a part of the algorithm for searching rhymes.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">This is great! Before, I&#39;d always used regular express=
ions, which was pretty simple for finding exact rhymes, but got more compli=
cated if I wanted to allow for inexact rhymes<br><br>On Wednesday, April 6,=
 2016 at 2:26:58 AM UTC-7, la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Up till now Lojbanists had the following =
three main tools to search for rhymes for Lojban words:</div><div><br></div=
><div>1.=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rhymes_list" target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.googl=
e.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpapri%2FRhymes_list\46sa\75D\46=
sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFwK3k0dDnOLpB0Jvx_sJ4y2YbQ-Q&#39;;return true;" onc=
lick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fmw.lo=
jban.org%2Fpapri%2FRhymes_list\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFwK3k0dDn=
OLpB0Jvx_sJ4y2YbQ-Q&#39;;return true;">https://mw.lojban.org/<wbr>papri/Rhy=
mes_list</a></div><div>2.=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Rhymi=
ng_alphabetical_list" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"thi=
s.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2F=
papri%2FRhyming_alphabetical_list\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNF1mIBg=
ejsI73h2-M6aWKuga3NCVg&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https=
://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpapri%2FRhyming_alp=
habetical_list\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNF1mIBgejsI73h2-M6aWKuga3N=
CVg&#39;;return true;">https://mw.lojban.org/<wbr>papri/Rhyming_alphabetica=
l_<wbr>list</a></div><div>3. own human memory</div><div><br></div><div>Here=
 is a new tool that is a part of the new version of la sutysisku.</div><div=
><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://lojban.github.io/sutysisku/en/index.html=
#sisku/saclu@" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=
=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Flojban.github.io%2Fsut=
ysisku%2Fen%2Findex.html%23sisku%2Fsaclu%40\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AF=
QjCNEIyLBJsbfWGEuwhFfINw9S-nfPJg&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D=
&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Flojban.github.io%2Fsutysi=
sku%2Fen%2Findex.html%23sisku%2Fsaclu%40\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjC=
NEIyLBJsbfWGEuwhFfINw9S-nfPJg&#39;;return true;">https://lojban.github.io/<=
wbr>sutysisku/en/index.html#sisku/<wbr>saclu@</a><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>To find rhymes add @ at the end or in the beginning of the word.</div><=
div><br></div><div>It employs an algorithm written from scratch and exceeds=
 the first two tools in several ways:</div><div><br></div><div>a. words wit=
h more precise rhymes are shown higher in the list.<br></div><div>b. phonem=
es closer to each other in their articulation are taken into account. Thus =
for words ending in -e words ending in -i have a higher priority that those=
 ending in -u. Also {l} is similar to {r} so {saclu} rhymes with {bacru} be=
cause {l} is close to {r}. With lower priority {saclu} rhymes with {cacra} =
because the last letter is different.</div><div>c. To get the ultimate unde=
rstanding please refer to the source code :) <a href=3D"https://github.com/=
lagleki/glekitufa/blob/master/i/sisku.js#L441" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nof=
ollow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\75https=
%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Flagleki%2Fglekitufa%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fi%2Fsisku.js%23=
L441\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNEzuMVaAfRKRyY_2ph0YHEkddkF1g&#39;;r=
eturn true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\75htt=
ps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Flagleki%2Fglekitufa%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fi%2Fsisku.js%=
23L441\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNEzuMVaAfRKRyY_2ph0YHEkddkF1g&#39;=
;return true;">https://github.com/lagleki/<wbr>glekitufa/blob/master/i/sisk=
u.<wbr>js#L441</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thus, rhymes to {saclu} are=
 richer than those provided by earlier rhyme lists.</div><div>We only had {=
kacma} and {racli} as suggestions. Now we have many more.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Also note that outputting word combinations (that is fragments of t=
ext) as results is not currently implemented as this=C2=A0first=C2=A0requir=
es writing better parsers of Lojban text than what is currently provided by=
 PEG parsers.</div><div><br></div><div>Bonus:</div><div><br></div><div>Inte=
resting that when working on the algorithm for this app (to be used for art=
 purposes) another art project was born. It&#39;s an orthography more stric=
tly enabling audio-visual isomorphism:<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href=
=3D"https://mw.lojban.org/papri/la_krulermorna" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
follow" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\75http=
s%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpapri%2Fla_krulermorna\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg=
\75AFQjCNGuM_q7lqJEA-DS2C2eDkxKTEdWfw&#39;;return true;" onclick=3D"this.hr=
ef=3D&#39;https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Fpapr=
i%2Fla_krulermorna\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGuM_q7lqJEA-DS2C2eDkx=
KTEdWfw&#39;;return true;">https://mw.lojban.org/papri/<wbr>la_krulermorna<=
/a><br></div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s both an art project and a part of=
 the algorithm for searching rhymes.<br></div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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