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I have trouble making sense of the official definition of =E2=80=9Cdetri=E2=
=80=9D.
It states:

> x1 is the date [day,{week},{month},year] of event/state x2, at
> location x3, by calendar x4.

The notes state:
> (time units in x1 are specified as numbers separated by pi'e or are
> unit values massified with joi); See also cmavo list de'i, djedi,
> jeftu, masti, nanca, tcika.

I just want to specify a date, but the definition is not really helpful.
The brackets are confusing, what are they supposed to mean?

How do I specify =E2=80=A6
=E2=80=A6 a day, month and year?
=E2=80=A6 a day (ONLY a day)?
=E2=80=A6 a week?
=E2=80=A6 a month?
=E2=80=A6 a year?
=E2=80=A6 a day and a month?
=E2=80=A6 a day and a year?

What do I do if I want to specify a date of a calender which works
differently (i.e. the day/week/month/year scheme does not
apply or at least it does not apply well)?

The only thing which seems be be clear is =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa pi'e pa pi=
'e
pa detri=E2=80=9D which can only mean =E2=80=9Cday 1, week 1, month 1, year=
 1=E2=80=9D.

What does =E2=80=9Cli pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?
Day 1? Week 1? Year 1?
What does =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?=20
Day 1, week 1? Day 1, month 1? Day 1, year 1? Month 1, year 1?
What does =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa pi'e pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?
Day 1, week 1, month 1? Day 1, month 1, year 1? Week 1, month 1, year 1?

You get the idea.

Basically, the problem is that the definition is confusing / not clear
on the meaning of each of the numbers which are supposed to be
seperated by a =E2=80=9Cpi'e=E2=80=9D.

Even something relatively simple like clearly (that is,
without other interpretations) specifying day/month/year seems to be
impossible. Saying =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa pi'e pa detri=E2=80=9D could mean
day/month/year, day/week/year or even day/week/month. Or did I
misunderstood the definition?

I hope you can help me, but it seems the way the definition is written
now makes it basically pretty useless (to me, at least). :-(


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