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I think your question is not how to specify dates with "detri" but how to
specify dates with "li". Specifying dates with detri is easy. For exampe
"lo detri be lo nu mi jbena" specifies the date I was born. You can fill
the x1 of "detri" with anything that refers to a date. For example "la'o gy
Tuesday, April 28 2016 gy cu detri lo cabdei" is perfectly fine.

How to specify dates with "li"? First, ignore what the definition of detri
says, then use common sense. For example, I would say "li 1969-07-20 cu
detri lo nu lo remna cu pa re'u stapa lo lunra" (with "-" pronounced
"pi'e"). But that's just one possible convention. As long as it's clear
which convention you're using there shouldn't be a problem. It's not as if
any language forces you to use always the same convention, and neither
should Lojban.

If you're using a different calendar, you choose a convention appropriate
for that calendar.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 6:30 PM, 'Wuzzy' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.co=
m
> wrote:

> I have trouble making sense of the official definition of =E2=80=9Cdetri=
=E2=80=9D.
> It states:
>
> > x1 is the date [day,{week},{month},year] of event/state x2, at
> > location x3, by calendar x4.
>
> The notes state:
> > (time units in x1 are specified as numbers separated by pi'e or are
> > unit values massified with joi); See also cmavo list de'i, djedi,
> > jeftu, masti, nanca, tcika.
>
> I just want to specify a date, but the definition is not really helpful.
> The brackets are confusing, what are they supposed to mean?
>
> How do I specify =E2=80=A6
> =E2=80=A6 a day, month and year?
> =E2=80=A6 a day (ONLY a day)?
> =E2=80=A6 a week?
> =E2=80=A6 a month?
> =E2=80=A6 a year?
> =E2=80=A6 a day and a month?
> =E2=80=A6 a day and a year?
>
> What do I do if I want to specify a date of a calender which works
> differently (i.e. the day/week/month/year scheme does not
> apply or at least it does not apply well)?
>
> The only thing which seems be be clear is =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa pi'e pa =
pi'e
> pa detri=E2=80=9D which can only mean =E2=80=9Cday 1, week 1, month 1, ye=
ar 1=E2=80=9D.
>
> What does =E2=80=9Cli pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?
> Day 1? Week 1? Year 1?
> What does =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?
> Day 1, week 1? Day 1, month 1? Day 1, year 1? Month 1, year 1?
> What does =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa pi'e pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?
> Day 1, week 1, month 1? Day 1, month 1, year 1? Week 1, month 1, year 1?
>
> You get the idea.
>
> Basically, the problem is that the definition is confusing / not clear
> on the meaning of each of the numbers which are supposed to be
> seperated by a =E2=80=9Cpi'e=E2=80=9D.
>
> Even something relatively simple like clearly (that is,
> without other interpretations) specifying day/month/year seems to be
> impossible. Saying =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa pi'e pa detri=E2=80=9D could me=
an
> day/month/year, day/week/year or even day/week/month. Or did I
> misunderstood the definition?
>
> I hope you can help me, but it seems the way the definition is written
> now makes it basically pretty useless (to me, at least). :-(
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div>I think your question is not how to specify=
 dates with &quot;detri&quot; but how to specify dates with &quot;li&quot;.=
 Specifying dates with detri is easy. For exampe &quot;lo detri be lo nu mi=
 jbena&quot; specifies the date I was born. You can fill the x1 of &quot;de=
tri&quot; with anything that refers to a date. For example &quot;la&#39;o g=
y Tuesday, April 28 2016 gy cu detri lo cabdei&quot; is perfectly fine.<div=
><br></div><div>How to specify dates with &quot;li&quot;? First, ignore wha=
t the definition of detri says, then use common sense. For example, I would=
 say &quot;li 1969-07-20 cu detri lo nu lo remna cu pa re&#39;u stapa lo lu=
nra&quot; (with &quot;-&quot; pronounced &quot;pi&#39;e&quot;). But that=
9;s just one possible convention. As long as it&#39;s clear which conventio=
n you&#39;re using there shouldn&#39;t be a problem. It&#39;s not as if any=
 language forces you to use always the same convention, and neither should =
Lojban. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>If you&#39;re using a different cal=
endar, you choose a convention appropriate for that calendar.<br><div><br><=
/div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 6:30 PM, &#39;Wuzzy=
&#39; via lojban <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroup=
s.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have trouble making sense of the official d=
efinition of =E2=80=9Cdetri=E2=80=9D.<br>
It states:<br>
<br>
&gt; x1 is the date [day,{week},{month},year] of event/state x2, at<br>
&gt; location x3, by calendar x4.<br>
<br>
The notes state:<br>
&gt; (time units in x1 are specified as numbers separated by pi&#39;e or ar=
e<br>
&gt; unit values massified with joi); See also cmavo list de&#39;i, djedi,<=
br>
&gt; jeftu, masti, nanca, tcika.<br>
<br>
I just want to specify a date, but the definition is not really helpful.<br=
>
The brackets are confusing, what are they supposed to mean?<br>
<br>
How do I specify =E2=80=A6<br>
=E2=80=A6 a day, month and year?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a day (ONLY a day)?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a week?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a month?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a year?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a day and a month?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a day and a year?<br>
<br>
What do I do if I want to specify a date of a calender which works<br>
differently (i.e. the day/week/month/year scheme does not<br>
apply or at least it does not apply well)?<br>
<br>
The only thing which seems be be clear is =E2=80=9Cli pa pi&#39;e pa pi&#39=
;e pa pi&#39;e<br>
pa detri=E2=80=9D which can only mean =E2=80=9Cday 1, week 1, month 1, year=
 1=E2=80=9D.<br>
<br>
What does =E2=80=9Cli pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?<br>
Day 1? Week 1? Year 1?<br>
What does =E2=80=9Cli pa pi&#39;e pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?<br>
Day 1, week 1? Day 1, month 1? Day 1, year 1? Month 1, year 1?<br>
What does =E2=80=9Cli pa pi&#39;e pa pi&#39;e pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?<br>
Day 1, week 1, month 1? Day 1, month 1, year 1? Week 1, month 1, year 1?<br=
>
<br>
You get the idea.<br>
<br>
Basically, the problem is that the definition is confusing / not clear<br>
on the meaning of each of the numbers which are supposed to be<br>
seperated by a =E2=80=9Cpi&#39;e=E2=80=9D.<br>
<br>
Even something relatively simple like clearly (that is,<br>
without other interpretations) specifying day/month/year seems to be<br>
impossible. Saying =E2=80=9Cli pa pi&#39;e pa pi&#39;e pa detri=E2=80=9D co=
uld mean<br>
day/month/year, day/week/year or even day/week/month. Or did I<br>
misunderstood the definition?<br>
<br>
I hope you can help me, but it seems the way the definition is written<br>
now makes it basically pretty useless (to me, at least). :-(<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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