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2016-04-29 0:30 GMT+03:00 'Wuzzy' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com>:

> I have trouble making sense of the official definition of =E2=80=9Cdetri=
=E2=80=9D.
> It states:
>
> > x1 is the date [day,{week},{month},year] of event/state x2, at
> > location x3, by calendar x4.
>
> The notes state:
> > (time units in x1 are specified as numbers separated by pi'e or are
> > unit values massified with joi); See also cmavo list de'i, djedi,
> > jeftu, masti, nanca, tcika.
>
> I just want to specify a date, but the definition is not really helpful.
> The brackets are confusing, what are they supposed to mean?
>
> How do I specify =E2=80=A6
> =E2=80=A6 a day, month and year?
> =E2=80=A6 a day (ONLY a day)?
> =E2=80=A6 a week?
> =E2=80=A6 a month?
> =E2=80=A6 a year?
> =E2=80=A6 a day and a month?
> =E2=80=A6 a day and a year?
>
> What do I do if I want to specify a date of a calender which works
> differently (i.e. the day/week/month/year scheme does not
> apply or at least it does not apply well)?
>
> The only thing which seems be be clear is =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa pi'e pa =
pi'e
> pa detri=E2=80=9D which can only mean =E2=80=9Cday 1, week 1, month 1, ye=
ar 1=E2=80=9D.
>
> What does =E2=80=9Cli pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?
> Day 1? Week 1? Year 1?
> What does =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?
> Day 1, week 1? Day 1, month 1? Day 1, year 1? Month 1, year 1?
> What does =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa pi'e pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?
> Day 1, week 1, month 1? Day 1, month 1, year 1? Week 1, month 1, year 1?
>

"Lojban for Beginners" has this solution:
=E2=80=A2 If there is only one number, it is the day e.g.  li pano is =E2=
=80=98the 10th=E2=80=99.
=E2=80=A2 If there are two numbers, they are the day and month e.g.  li pan=
o pi=E2=80=99e
pare is 10/12, or =E2=80=98the 10th of
December=E2=80=99.
=E2=80=A2 If there are three numbers, they are day, month, year (not month,=
 day,
year, as in the American
convention) e.g.  li repa pi=E2=80=99e ze pi=E2=80=99e pasoxaso is 21/7/69=
=E2=80=94the date of the
first moon landing


> You get the idea.
>
> Basically, the problem is that the definition is confusing / not clear
> on the meaning of each of the numbers which are supposed to be
> seperated by a =E2=80=9Cpi'e=E2=80=9D.
>
> Even something relatively simple like clearly (that is,
> without other interpretations) specifying day/month/year seems to be
> impossible. Saying =E2=80=9Cli pa pi'e pa pi'e pa detri=E2=80=9D could me=
an
> day/month/year, day/week/year or even day/week/month. Or did I
> misunderstood the definition?
>
> I hope you can help me, but it seems the way the definition is written
> now makes it basically pretty useless (to me, at least). :-(
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2016-04-29 0:30 GMT+03:00 &#39;Wuzzy&#39; via lojban <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@goo=
glegroups.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,2=
04,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">I have trouble making sen=
se of the official definition of =E2=80=9Cdetri=E2=80=9D.<br>
It states:<br>
<br>
&gt; x1 is the date [day,{week},{month},year] of event/state x2, at<br>
&gt; location x3, by calendar x4.<br>
<br>
The notes state:<br>
&gt; (time units in x1 are specified as numbers separated by pi&#39;e or ar=
e<br>
&gt; unit values massified with joi); See also cmavo list de&#39;i, djedi,<=
br>
&gt; jeftu, masti, nanca, tcika.<br>
<br>
I just want to specify a date, but the definition is not really helpful.<br=
>
The brackets are confusing, what are they supposed to mean?<br>
<br>
How do I specify =E2=80=A6<br>
=E2=80=A6 a day, month and year?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a day (ONLY a day)?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a week?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a month?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a year?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a day and a month?<br>
=E2=80=A6 a day and a year?<br>
<br>
What do I do if I want to specify a date of a calender which works<br>
differently (i.e. the day/week/month/year scheme does not<br>
apply or at least it does not apply well)?<br>
<br>
The only thing which seems be be clear is =E2=80=9Cli pa pi&#39;e pa pi&#39=
;e pa pi&#39;e<br>
pa detri=E2=80=9D which can only mean =E2=80=9Cday 1, week 1, month 1, year=
 1=E2=80=9D.<br>
<br>
What does =E2=80=9Cli pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?<br>
Day 1? Week 1? Year 1?<br>
What does =E2=80=9Cli pa pi&#39;e pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?<br>
Day 1, week 1? Day 1, month 1? Day 1, year 1? Month 1, year 1?<br>
What does =E2=80=9Cli pa pi&#39;e pa pi&#39;e pa detri=E2=80=9D mean?<br>
Day 1, week 1, month 1? Day 1, month 1, year 1? Week 1, month 1, year 1?<br=
></blockquote><div><br></div><div>&quot;Lojban for Beginners&quot; has this=
 solution:</div><div>=E2=80=A2=C2=A0If there is only one number, it is the =
day e.g. =C2=A0li pano is =E2=80=98the 10th=E2=80=99.<br></div><div>=E2=80=
=A2 If there are two numbers, they are the day and month e.g. =C2=A0li pano=
 pi=E2=80=99e pare is 10/12, or =E2=80=98the 10th of</div><div>December=E2=
=80=99.</div><div>=E2=80=A2 If there are three numbers, they are day, month=
, year (not month, day, year, as in the American</div><div>convention) e.g.=
 =C2=A0li repa pi=E2=80=99e ze pi=E2=80=99e pasoxaso is 21/7/69=E2=80=94the=
 date of the first moon landing=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;bo=
rder-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
You get the idea.<br>
<br>
Basically, the problem is that the definition is confusing / not clear<br>
on the meaning of each of the numbers which are supposed to be<br>
seperated by a =E2=80=9Cpi&#39;e=E2=80=9D.<br>
<br>
Even something relatively simple like clearly (that is,<br>
without other interpretations) specifying day/month/year seems to be<br>
impossible. Saying =E2=80=9Cli pa pi&#39;e pa pi&#39;e pa detri=E2=80=9D co=
uld mean<br>
day/month/year, day/week/year or even day/week/month. Or did I<br>
misunderstood the definition?<br>
<br>
I hope you can help me, but it seems the way the definition is written<br>
now makes it basically pretty useless (to me, at least). :-(<br>
<span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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